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Post by annita on Aug 1, 2007 6:35:33 GMT 10
I personally was not referring to that statement. I believe IV mentioned that in one of her interviews.
I don't think it was illegal or corrupt in a legal sense.
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Post by debz1616 on Aug 1, 2007 6:40:52 GMT 10
I don't think it was illegal or corrupt in a legal sense.
HUH?? debs
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Post by annita on Aug 1, 2007 6:48:27 GMT 10
To clarify ... no I don't believe that it was illegal nor do I believe that there was an illegal exchange of money vs. child , making the adoption corrupt. What I find suspect are the circumstances, motivation and timing.
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Post by snowfall on Aug 1, 2007 6:52:43 GMT 10
Lubylove2 you lost me somewhere, hang on a sec... By the way, per IV own words, the delivery was induced because she actually claimed the date was special to both she and GV. I doubt a DR would just induce a baby because of it being a special date, I know when some ppl have a C-section they are given a date. Tin Visnjic was born on the same date Ivana and Goran met 11 years ago.www.gogoranvisnjicatbleuprofond2.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=388&start=0As the date of the birth was announced in the Star/NE article several days before the birth, I think we can assume that this was a planned induction to coincide with a date that Ivana wanted.
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Post by viviclooney on Aug 1, 2007 8:49:25 GMT 10
Quoting Snowball "As for the two women, they should be conducting their cat fights in private. neither does themsleves any favors - both self-serving and apparently willing to use small babies to further their own needs. I have a feeling that Goran may want to escape them both right now. "I can't agree with you more. These women don't know what DIGNITY means? For God sake, no matter if Ivana called Mirela just to say bad things to her or Mirela giving a pathetic interview, I'm sorry if someone in here could feel annoyed with what I'm saying but I feel that way. I'm a single mom with a 11 year old girl to raise and I would never do any of the things these 2 women have done just to keep a man by my side. OBVIOUSLY he doesn't love neither of them, whatever they do, the message is the same, and it won't change. I don't think is that hard to understand when your husband/lover DOESN'T LOVE YOU!!!! For Ivana: Stop playing fool, just end your missery and move on. You have a kid to raise, for Christ sake!!! Guess what? When a human being becomes a parent its a NATURAL AND LEGAL DUTY to think in the BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD!!! For Goran: Clean your head and your soul, start over, be a FATHER for BOTH kids and focus on them and your career. You're a FATHER in the first place!!! Let both women live their lifes and RUN as fast as you can from them. For Mirela: We all know you have suffered with all the mess but PLEASE don't make it a soap-opera, too pathetic for my taste, be a MOTHER, raise Lana the way you'have done with your first kid, be a good mother and try to be happy. Let Goran participate in Lana's life and that's it. Stop running to the press to support you, they are using you for their own purposes. THINGS ALWAYS HAPPEN FOR A REASON!!!!!!!!
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Post by larue on Aug 1, 2007 12:48:46 GMT 10
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Post by debz1616 on Aug 1, 2007 13:24:47 GMT 10
To clarify ... no I don't believe that it was illegal nor do I believe that there was an illegal exchange of money vs. child , making the adoption corrupt. What I find suspect are the circumstances, motivation and timing.
If you do not believe it was illegal surely the adoption must have run its natural course then, which has got to be at least 18 months? Do you think that it could have gone through in under 7.5 months? Say MR was 6 wks when she phoned, do you think IV then gets straight on the phone to a adoption agency and says she wants a baby within the next 6/7 months? Considering the amount of people involved, including a jugde, I find that really hard to believe.
I think we can assume that this was a planned induction to coincide with a date that Ivana wanted. IMO ... NO, again I do not believe a Dr would just induce a baby on a date that Ivana wanted or on her say-so. debs
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Post by snowfall on Aug 1, 2007 17:56:12 GMT 10
I think you are confusing private and agency adoptions which are very different in California. In the UK, I think adoptions are always via agencies, but not so in California. I imagine that if you want a new born, white male child you would have to wait rather a long time with an agency adoption. This was, according to Ivana in her Story interview, a private adoption, facilitated by her lawyer. While Social Services and law officers have to become involved and birth mothers must be advised of their rights, private adoptions entail a personal arrangement and agreement between the birth mother and adopting parent. The birth mother assigns physical custody to the adopting parents, usually on the day of the birth itself by signing a Health Facility Release form. Ivana did say that she, but not Goran was present, for the birth, so custody would have been signed to her I would imagine. (I think Goran was in Chicago and/or was respecting the mother’s privacy and/or fainting at the time.) This is followed by various other processes which have to take place within specified time periods.
Like Lubylove2, I am not suggesting that an illegal act has taken place, but that it may have been morally corrupt. While the birth mother would have by law have to have been independently advised of her rights beforehand, I somehow doubt that she or social services were told what was going on within that marriage. Had she or SS known, would the birth mother have handed over her baby to Ivana?
Just because you don’t believe a doctor would induce the birth on a date that Ivana wanted, doesn’t mean that isn’t what happened. The fact that the date of the birth was advertised in Star and National Enquirer suggests that this was indeed what happened. If the induction was for health reasons, it would have happened straight away.
I respect your view, but nobody makes anyone read anything and there are certainly threads that I never read.
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Post by rorygilmore on Aug 1, 2007 18:29:23 GMT 10
Elective labor induction is indeed possible, however is not always good for the baby. Inducing before the mother-to-be is 39 weeks or before the cervix is ready; can be risky.
First birth induction risks include a doubling in the cesarean birth rate.
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Post by debz1616 on Aug 1, 2007 18:49:13 GMT 10
I have to say I'm gobsmacked, I really can not believe what I have just read... for yours and Lubyloves theory to be correct then this adoption must have gone through in DAYS as Ivana said she meet the birth mother and went to 'all medical exams'. But you do have a right to your opinion, I personally think and this is MY OPINION, that its sad, so very sad how this gossip and speculation has got totally out of hand and that ppl now think of Goran and Ivana in this way. debs
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Post by snowfall on Aug 1, 2007 18:57:19 GMT 10
First of all, being gob-smacked is your prerogative. Personally, I'm gob-smacked that an adoption was executed at this point in the marriage, and then broadcast as it was. And I'm gob-smacked by the way in which IV and MR have conducted their cat-fight in such a public, humiliating and destructive way and have not flinched from the exploitation of their babies.
I haven't said anything negative about Goran.
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Post by helen on Aug 1, 2007 19:06:11 GMT 10
While I don't believe the adoption went through in days (and I'm not sure that's what lubylove and snowfall are saying), I do agree that there is something odd about it all.
I still can't believe that GV was not only NOT at the hospital (he didn't have to be in the delivery room - in fact, I wouldn't have expected him to be) but that he was in another city, working, when the kid was born. And why was the induction date made for when he would be away? I also find Ivana's interview in Story about the adoption to be strange - her comment about single mothers was obviously a pot-shot at MR.
If anything, I'd have thought Ivana might have wanted to postpone the adoption, and wait for another opportunity to present itself. It must have been a huge shock to her, discovering that goran had not only been unfaithful (and I don;t believe the drunken one-night stand story - that's for the benefit of the media) but had got this woman pregnant. I'd have wanted to take stock on things before I took the massive step of adopting and raising a child.
And no, I'm not on MR's "side" either. Both women are being manipulative, scheming and self-serving. Poor Goran.
This is, of course, all MY OPINION! I'm not wishing ill on anybody, I'm not holding people to higher standards than I would/could meet. I am grateful that on this board we can state our opinions, unlike other places. (I totally agree that if people find this and similar threads offensive, disgusting or whatever, they'd be best not to read them in the first place - with the titles here, one can be sure of what the thread is about, so it's very easy to skip over.)
Back to lurking...
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Post by debz1616 on Aug 1, 2007 19:23:25 GMT 10
I haven't said anything negative about Goran. debs
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Post by snowfall on Aug 1, 2007 21:07:50 GMT 10
You assume that I was implying negative things about Ivana and Goran when discussing the adoption. That is not the case.
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Post by zelda on Aug 1, 2007 21:28:25 GMT 10
I think I haven't posted more than TWICE since the beginning of the MEDIA CIRCUS on JULY 7. BUT NOW, I AGREE with LARUE and many others who are sick of this quibbling! Same old, same old...
I'm gonna quote A MODERATOR from ANOTHER BOARD (AEB), just beacuse what he\she says, is PERFECT... This mod decided to close the GV board for a few days. And the day after, another board was OPENED, always on AEB. The SAME PEOPLE KEPT DISSECTING OVER AND OVER AGAIN!
LATEST NEWS FROM AEB: Another board was opened at 4.47am today and one of the MODS closed it at 4.56.....AGAIN!
QUOTING: THE LONGER THIS GOES ON, THE LONGER I'LL HAVE TO KEEP IT CLOSED, WHICH IS TOO BAD FOR THE REST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD WHO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT SENSIBLY.
Another PERFECT QUOTE from one of AEB mods: " If you don't like it, then PM EACH OTHER, START YOUR OWN BOARD, do whatever you like...."
I think that on TDWD everybody has largely commented and given their own opinion....
SO LEAVE THEM ALONE! ( The husband, the wife and the mistress!)
GIVE THEM AN AUGUST BREAK!!!
Don't worry, the media circus will start again very soon, with the DNA result, and the christening of BABY LANA, on SEPTEMBER 9....what a coincident date!
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