jujuba
Countess of Luby
"Forget Superman, I'll take Mark Greene."
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Post by jujuba on Jul 13, 2007 1:47:13 GMT 10
I don't think that is up to us to judge if his marriage with Ivana is happy or not. Neither if this Mirela woman is trying to have her five minutes of fame or something like it. But the thing is... We're talking about the life of two kids, and they're the ones who will suffer the consequences of this acts. Now we have to wait to see the results of this DNA test, but the thing is: He cheated, he's wrong. I mean, I really like him, but nothing will change this. For now, I hope for them to resolve this situation soon, and that this two kids receive their support.
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Post by daniella on Jul 13, 2007 1:51:37 GMT 10
yeah, this is the case... and I was having lunch and talking with my maid that even if Mirela confirms he is the father and he is obligated to regconize the child, it don't buy his love...
Dani
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Post by officesupplywhore on Jul 13, 2007 2:02:33 GMT 10
Oh, really? I'm not saying that she did or didn't, but I don't think you can make a definitive statement like that. Is she a gold digger? Maybe. But then why wait until she's five months along to first contact him then? If she'd done it on purpose for the money, wouldn't she have contacted him as soon as she knew? Whatever is going on and however it happened, the bottom line is, even though wasn't attracted to her, Goran's admitted sleeping with her and could be the father. If she's so sure that she's taking him to court, he probably is. The problem that everyone seems to be having is that this interview in Story doesn't sound like the Goran that we've thought he is. He probably should have just said nothing rather than what he did and making this situation worse. Now that he's claiming it was a just a drunken one-night stand that he doesn't even remember, he's apparently pissed off Mirela even more and she's going to release tapes of their phone conversations.
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Post by annita on Jul 13, 2007 2:12:38 GMT 10
Whoa ... this is getting really crazy. The bottom line is that the three of them have an agenda, and each one is self-serving. The only ones who are innocent in this mess are the two children ... plain and simple. There have been rumors that the Visnjic's marriage started off on the wrong foot, simply because it was based on mutual ambition and convenience, instead of love, trust and respect. I guess the years finally took their toll. However, Goran was still wrong, as he is still legally married. If you want to vacation alone, party and sleep around, you should be separated or single. Ivana is smart, schrewd and self-serving. The adoption, its timing, the release of the Christening pictures and her family's influence in Croatia and its media have set her up as a saint, and this "saint" will forgive her man's one indiscretion because her marriage is so strong and happy, and, of course, she only coicidentally adopted this child at this time because all she really wants to do now is raise a child to complete their happy and strong marriage. Oh please. Perhaps she is the better actor in this relationship. Let's face it, she has a lot to lose in a divorce, and I'm sure she'll do whatever it takes to preserve her financial security. As for other woman ... she probably knew exactly what she was doing by becoming pregnant. She will be financially secure as well. On the other hand, perhaps it wasn't intentional. Either way, these two women are calling the shots right now. It is clear that Ivana and her family are an instrumental force behind Goran's recent statements, and it's ridiculous. Goran's persona during any interview, whether personal or written, has never come across in the way he is currently being quoted. IMO, he is being pressured to make these statements, and he is in a mess. Whether or not these children were planned or welcome is not the point. The point is they are here and I just hope that as a decent human being, he does the right thing by these children. Actually, if he were smart, he should free himself of both these women, motion in the courts for full custody of both children, hire a nanny and raise and enjoy these kids as a single parent - wonder what those two women would do then???
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Post by daniella on Jul 13, 2007 2:19:50 GMT 10
Oh, really? I'm not saying that she did or didn't, but I don't think you can make a definitive statement like that. Is she a gold digger? Maybe. But then why wait until she's five months along to first contact him then? If she'd done it on purpose for the money, wouldn't she have contacted him as soon as she knew? Whatever is going on and however it happened, the bottom line is, even though wasn't attracted to her, Goran's admitted sleeping with her and could be the father. If she's so sure that she's taking him to court, he probably is. The problem that everyone seems to be having is that this interview in Story doesn't sound like the Goran that we've thought he is. He probably should have just said nothing rather than what he did and making this situation worse. Now that he's claiming it was a just a drunken one-night stand that he doesn't even remember, he's apparently pissed off Mirela even more and she's going to release tapes of their phone conversations. Well, maybe... but like I said, he is human... he made a mistake and his ready to take on the consequences... But like I said... even if the justice obligated him to pay for the child and all and even recognize the paternity... it won't make him love the child... If Mirela relase the tapes ( if they exists ) this will repel Goran even more... Dani
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Post by crazzy11 on Jul 13, 2007 2:23:18 GMT 10
Exactly people here have a problem because all this time they have painted as Saint Goran and it turns out he isn't what you thought he was. I actually don't blame him for sleeping with Mirella (personal opinion) And I'm sorry, he's man enought to give his face to whoever wants to slap it?? That's ridiculous since he waited for Mirela's as he calls it blackmail to say something even to his wife. He knew all along, he knew he couldn't possibly get away with it and therefor and ONLY therefor he opened his mouth. He's a f. coward, he's not man enough! And still he says he won't recognize the girl as his own?? oh SHUT UP Goran. She's WAY more your child than Tin, who was adopted to cover up your mess. Very likely because Ivana couldn't handle the fact that a different woman has her husband's child. Face reality sweetheart!! Involving a second child in this mess is lower than the cheating. Want to forgive him, fine, but don't put an inocent child in the mess. And come on some adoptiv kid has the right to the "sweet daddy" Goran but his own child doesn't?? Scumbag! The guy is lower than I than what I thought! You know what - Ivana and Goran deserve each other! And if it's true about him and the "other" person I siriouly hope she kicked him nicely enough to leave a trade mark on his ass.
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Post by daniella on Jul 13, 2007 2:33:53 GMT 10
Well, you have your opinion and I have mine... if you want me to respect yours, respect mine too...
Now, it's good to have some respcet ( as why you are say bad names here ? It appears to me that you isn't a Goran fan, but a Noah Whiles fan... )
We don't know thw whole story, just what says on the media and you know that the press wirtte anything... so we can't really say that Ivana didn't know anything before or that Goran is really the father... and if the DNA shows he is not the father and that Mirella is guity of lying?
Like I said, if it prove anything, I'm sure that he will do everything to make the sure the girl is taken care off, but it doesn't say he has to love her...
Dani
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Post by crazzy11 on Jul 13, 2007 2:35:15 GMT 10
And Tapes? ? What kind of tapes? More affair? or just to prove that she was trying to solve it only with him? Because depending on it, I guess his "one night" excuse is going down the drain, hum??!! OUCH!!
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Post by officesupplywhore on Jul 13, 2007 2:36:40 GMT 10
If Tin was adopted as part of a cover-up, it's reprehensible. It doesn't matter who initiated the adoption, whether one or the other of the adoptive parents knew or didn't know and then just went along with it later, the fact of the matter is, Goran and his wife have both legally adopted this child. If it was done for any reason besides becoming a family, it's not only abhorrent, it's fraud.
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Post by crazzy11 on Jul 13, 2007 2:40:41 GMT 10
Well, you have your opinion and I have mine... if you want me to respect yours, respect mine too... Now, it's good to have some respcet ( as why you are say bad names here ? It appears to me that you isn't a Goran fan, but a Noah Whiles fan... ) We don't know thw whole story, just what says on the media and you know that the press wirtte anything... so we can't really say that Ivana didn't know anything before or that Goran is really the father... and if the DNA shows he is not the father and that Mirella is guity of lying? Like I said, if it prove anything, I'm sure that he will do everything to make the sure the girl is taken care off, but it doesn't say he has to love her... Dani - I'm not the only one calling him names (read around the web, sweetie) , I am a fan, or actually was a fan! Not sure about it anymore!! And Noah??!! Ykes !! I don't like him! Although he's a better father than Goran and it seems a better husband as well. I have my personal problems and I know why I called him what I did. I see the girls point when she grows up - I know what she'll go through, so sorry, I take Mirella's side! If you haven't gone through something similar to what this girl will do, than you don't know HALF of what it is. I DO!
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Post by annita on Jul 13, 2007 2:59:41 GMT 10
If Tin was adopted as part of a cover-up, it's reprehensible. It doesn't matter who initiated the adoption, whether one or the other of the adoptive parents knew or didn't know and then just went along with it later, the fact of the matter is, Goran and his wife have both legally adopted this child. If it was done for any reason besides becoming a family, it's not only abhorrent, it's fraud. I know it's abhorrent and it is fraud, but I don't believe it's against the law, unfortunately.
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Post by officesupplywhore on Jul 13, 2007 3:02:01 GMT 10
Probably not, unless the birth mother claims it or sues, I would imagine.
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Post by annita on Jul 13, 2007 3:05:05 GMT 10
Whoa ... this is getting really crazy. The bottom line is that the three of them have an agenda, and each one is self-serving. The only ones who are innocent in this mess are the two children ... plain and simple. There have been rumors that the Visnjic's marriage started off on the wrong foot, simply because it was based on mutual ambition and convenience, instead of love, trust and respect. I guess the years finally took their toll. However, Goran was still wrong, as he is still legally married. If you want to vacation alone, party and sleep around, you should be separated or single. Ivana is smart, schrewd and self-serving. The adoption, its timing, the release of the Christening pictures and her family's influence in Croatia and its media have set her up as a saint, and this "saint" will forgive her man's one indiscretion because her marriage is so strong and happy, and, of course, she only coicidentally adopted this child at this time because all she really wants to do now is raise a child to complete their happy and strong marriage. Oh please. Perhaps she is the better actor in this relationship. Let's face it, she has a lot to lose in a divorce, and I'm sure she'll do whatever it takes to preserve her financial security. As for other woman ... she probably knew exactly what she was doing by becoming pregnant. She will be financially secure as well. On the other hand, perhaps it wasn't intentional. Either way, these two women are calling the shots right now. It is clear that Ivana and her family are an instrumental force behind Goran's recent statements, and it's ridiculous. Goran's persona during any interview, whether personal or written, has never come across in the way he is currently being quoted. IMO, he is being pressured to make these statements, and he is in a mess. Whether or not these children were planned or welcome is not the point. The point is they are here and I just hope that as a decent human being, he does the right thing by these children. Actually, if he were smart, he should free himself of both these women, motion in the courts for full custody of both children, hire a nanny and raise and enjoy these kids as a single parent - wonder what those two women would do then???
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jen
Luby Lover
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Post by jen on Jul 13, 2007 3:11:14 GMT 10
Well, I agree with you daniella. It has been really irritating to visit various boards and see how many people are getting on their very high horses about this. It's nice to know that there are so many perfect people out there who have never made any mistakes. I understand that he f-ked up big time and some folks are disappointed, but he doesn't owe us anything and its really none of our business.
There are taped phone conversations? I haven't heard anything about that. If that's true than this woman sounds like a gold digger for sure. Releasing those will not bring her daughter closer to Goran. If anything it will just breed more resentment.
Also, I know this is REALLY selfish, but I hope this whole thing doesn't interfere with GV coming back for six eppies next year.
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Post by viviclooney on Jul 13, 2007 3:28:11 GMT 10
Quoting annita…
“…if he were smart, he should free himself of both these women, motion in the courts for full custody of both children, hire a nanny and raise and enjoy these kids as a single parent - wonder what those two women would do then???...”
I’ve read all your postings sweetehearts and I think Annita has the best idea of what would be going on… because IMO both women involved innocents in this mess without thinking of the consequences, and for Goran: “MEN ARE PIGS, that’s a fact but to get into details and blame alcohol for the one-night stand it’s coward and low”. Unfortunately, there is no way to repair the damage but the best he could do is become a REAL FATHER for both babies and to get the hell away from both women.
He should START OVER and try to be a father for both babies, try to establish connection and ask for join custody, so he could have both of them for holidays, vacations and Christmas.
Come on Goran, stop being so coward and face reality and clean up your own mess….
Wouldn't be so cute to see he with both babies in -all father way- in the street with strolls and all the baby-stuff? all alone, as a single dad?
**Viviana**
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