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Post by snowfall on Jul 17, 2007 11:36:57 GMT 10
"I have to say that I agree with you about the tone of the interview. It sounds more like the one that Ivana gave in the same magazine a couple of months ago. "
You mean the one where Goran isn't quoted once? Isn't the similarity astounding? Where were all of Goran's dear ER friends that he talked so warmly about in his other interviews for the Baptism? 2 months is not enough notice for Goran's family to attend? Not even Scott Grimes could make it? He planned for this adoption for two years and then missed the birth to film a 60 second scene in Chicago that surely could have been modified. There is not one answer in this interview that rings true. No PR person in their right mind would have let him answer these questions in this way - and no actor in his right mind would give such an interview without PR help - let alone legal advice.
Just how many times can one person say the word Ivana in an interview?
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Post by francosonata on Jul 17, 2007 11:38:59 GMT 10
I had a question about what he said about the adoption, too. Did they go through an agency or was it a private adoption? It would make sense if it were a private adoption since they met and were involved with the birth mother. Didn't Ivana say that the mother was a teenager from Ohio? Admittedly, I don't know how these things work in California, but that sounds like a private adoption, because I didn't think public agency adoptions were open like that where the birth and adoptive parents meet or that they would go out of state. Does anyone know? If it was a private adoption, the process could have been very quick. I have cousin who did a private independent adoption through an adoption law center place where they met the birth mother, too, and it was only a matter of months from the time they started the process until they brought the baby home. Of course it did help that they had the money to facilitate the process, too.
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Post by annita on Jul 17, 2007 11:44:41 GMT 10
If it was a private adoption, the process could have been very quick. I have cousin who did a private independent adoption through an adoption law center place where they met the birth mother, too, and it was only a matter of months from the time they started the process until they brought the baby home. Of course it did help that they had the money to facilitate the process, too. I think you answered your own question here ...
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Post by francosonata on Jul 17, 2007 11:57:03 GMT 10
It does seem like there are a lot of contradictions throughout the interview. One of the articles said that the baby girl was born at the end of March. If she was full-term then she was conceived around the end of June or beginning of July. Does that mean that Goran didn't get to Croatia until then? I thought he was there earlier than that.
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Post by annita on Jul 17, 2007 12:10:21 GMT 10
I don't pretend to know. It's just been published the baby girl is 4 months old. Since it takes 9 months to carry (average), I would assume that it could have been May/June she was conceived.
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Post by snowfall on Jul 17, 2007 12:28:50 GMT 10
I do think the latest information was a March birth making a June conception likely - and I thought he arrived in May? But I'm not sure.
It is one contradiction after the other- not only of word but deed. Why would a recalcitrant, remorseful husband head to a charity event with work friends on his anniversary? Why would he take off for South America when the long awaited son had just arrived to publicize a show he's left? Especially if he had so much to make up for.
The adoption itself and the folow-up interviews made no sense. This makes even less.
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Post by mrseyre on Jul 17, 2007 22:55:24 GMT 10
I don't care abour the cheating story, but what the hell is going on with his head ? I can't understand why he said all these things to the press ! I'm angry with the way he is handling this affair. Not trying to arrange it in privacy at first (well may be it's not his fault !!!) and now, telling with details what has happened between him and that woman, how he told his wife, ect...I don't understand what he is looking for by saying those things ! Very very bad strategy Goran, very bad ! You don't have an adviser or a lawer to handle that for you or what ? Why are you angry? He's done nothing to you or yours. and he owesus nothing. None of us have any right to be angry about this, it doesn't affect our lives one way or another unless we choose to let it and then that's our lookout. I completely undersand his impulse to get in a few shots of his own . And am I really the only person here who has got drunk and spent time later thinking "I can't believe I did that!" or maybe not even remembering what I did? I'm pushing 50 but in my youth there are times when I woke up (and not always alone)thinking "Oh, my God, I didn't ...". Perhaps I'm ust an extraordinarily bad person.
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Post by annita on Jul 17, 2007 23:26:45 GMT 10
Well Mrs. Eyre ... I'm right up there with you. I'm over 50 and in my youth and even older have done plenty that I regretted after a night of partying. However, I do know that I never slept with another man while I was married. IMO, cheating on your spouse cuts to the very core of the marriage - it's a betrayal of intimacy - a special act whether primal or romantic that's exclusive to each other. It's true, he's done nothing to any of us that would affect us one way or another, but as a celebrity who has such a strong fan base, his actions and subsequent statements have opened the door to these discussions, speculation, suspicion, motivation and the subsequent feelings that follow, whether it is misplaced anger or empathy.
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Post by debz1616 on Jul 18, 2007 0:06:13 GMT 10
Ok, I'm fed up with sitting on the fence, so here goes... FACT: Goran had an affair FACT: Goran has taken a DNA test FACT: Goran and Ivana are still together
The rest is, at the moment, hear-say, gossip and ppl reading into things, for example 'the tone of the interview' most of us on here are English speaking and we have to relay on very kind ppl like Zagreb to translate. Every country has its own way of putting things or ways of saying things too, which sometimes do not always translate. Here's a silly example, if I was to say to you "where are my daisies?" you would think I was talk about flowers... but I'm not....
Was it a PR blunder? maybe, maybe not, if he hadn't given the interview but just a short statement, how many of you would have wanted to know more?
Ivana stayed at home, big deal, his mum might of had the flu for all we know, we don't know it was anything serious, so we are reading into to things again. Husbands and wives taking weekends away or breaks isn't un-common or one partner rushing off to visit a sick relative and the other staying at home isn't either. Even if you are visiting a sick relative that doesn't stop you from seeing your friends, does it?
So says he was drunk, if thats what he wants to say, who gives.... he hasn't hurt anyone on this board or any other board or has he?
Conception, why are ppl trying to work this out? She had a baby, Goran had a DNA test, when she fell or when the baby was born doesn't matter.
Ivana saying 2 years ago that they wanted to wait for children, if they were, at that time, still having tests, why would they want to tell the world? What right do we as fans have to that information? It is one of the most painful things trying for a baby with out success and even worse when they don't know why. I have been through this so know exactly how painful it is. It does take anywhere between 1-2 years going through the adoption process, once it is finished and a cpl have been approved they THEN have to wait for a baby. The birth mother at first doesn't know the names or see photo's the APPROVED adopting parents. Only after the birth mother has read the profiles of the adopting parents is when the contact starts, by phone first (like Ivana said) then meetings. The adopting cpl could end up with a baby that is a few weeks old or like Ivana meet the birth mother before the baby is born and at any stage of her pregnancy. Again, whats the problem with the timing? FACT: They went through the adoption program, they adopted Tin.
Another thing to remember is that Goran and Ivana are not US citizens, they only have green cards, which is why there might be the differences in them bring a baby in from another country, ok for Angie and Brad as they are both Americans
I guess thats it for now but a cpl other things I want to ask and get you all to think about.... How many of you on here have done something wished you hadn't? I know I have. How many of you on have hurt someone you love? I know I have. debs
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Post by snowfall on Jul 18, 2007 0:16:37 GMT 10
I think my point is missed. I don't care that he had an affair. I don't care whether he was drunk or sober long term or one night. It's not my business. I do find it extremely odd that he would feel obliged to publicize the details in this way. Someone called him a pawn. He looks like a puppet to me.
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Post by mrseyre on Jul 18, 2007 0:16:55 GMT 10
The thing is (for me) that "marriage" doesn't exist in any absolute sense; "marriages" do and what may strike at the heart of one may simply be a glancing blow for another. I'm not in a position to judge what other people find they can or can't accommodate in their relationships and I understand that I'm in a minority in not seeing a night of drunken in fidelity as necessarily the worst thing that can happen; I can't say "You shouldn't let it negate all the good things in the marriage" because people feel whatever they feel - but , although it's received wisdom that infidelity is an insurmountable offence, I don't think it need be; I'm also pretty sure that people get round it much more often than we ever know about. We generally only find out about it when they can't.
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Post by annita on Jul 18, 2007 0:28:48 GMT 10
You make a very good point Mrs. Eyre. IMO, however, only time will tell. I also believe we will see a united front until this law suit and adoption are finalized. Thereafter, if this couple remains together (and I would be surprised), I will admit that IV is a much better person that me!
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Post by crazzy11 on Jul 18, 2007 0:47:35 GMT 10
I think my point is missed. I don't care that he had an affair. I don't care whether he was drunk or sober long term or one night. It's not my business. I do find it extremely odd that he would feel obliged to publicize the details in this way. Someone called him a pawn. He looks like a puppet to me - and that's no way to live. Just my opinion. I always learned that when a person is too worried to give out too much information or cares too much about little details, then it's obvious they are making up stories. It's sad, because this interview is a little too manipulated - many will disagree I guess, but I agree with snowfall and annita. A man who is switching from small screen to big screen makes THAT kind of a PR mistake? - come on!
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Post by annita on Jul 18, 2007 6:57:56 GMT 10
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Post by mrseyre on Jul 18, 2007 7:18:13 GMT 10
You make a very good point Mrs. Eyre. IMO, however, only time will tell. I also believe we will see a united front until this law suit and adoption are finalized. Thereafter, if this couple remains together (and I would be surprised), I will admit that IV is a much better person that me! Not better - just different.
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