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Post by viviclooney on Jul 13, 2007 6:02:17 GMT 10
It's obvious all these news (because they aren't gossip anymore) have made us (the members of this forum) express our own opinion about the issue, which is good because everyone has the right to express its own opinion about something SPREAD ON THE MEDIA. I know that a lot of people is getting upset because the different opinions, but come on!!! this is a forum, here we discuss things and that's the joy of this site.
Getting to the subject, if indeed Goran wanted all this mess to stay private he should have handled it in a BEST WAY. It's obvious his PR guys are on vacation or just don't know how to handle these kind of things.
For Dani: (quoting her) "The hell? Goran deserves a private life just as much as the rest of us do. He is a celebrity so there will be things about him that become public knowledge, but I think it is totally wrong to act like fans are entitled to know the dirtiest things about actors private lives. He is not a politician, he doesn't have a civil service job. What he does in his private life has nothing to do with you. This is none of our business. Obviously you disagree, but whatever."
I don't think "entitled to know" was what crazzy11 wanted to state, at least I understood that as long as the news are spread in the media in PUBLIC SITES, everyone could give an opinion about that.
About Goran's behaviour He needs to clean up his own mess, he need's to know the results of the DNA ASAP to finally find out if the baby IS HIS or NOT. I wish he could get the time and space to clear his thoughts and realize what would be to ACTUALLY ACT LIKE A FATHER FOR BOTH BABIES instead of just offering "economic support".
About Mirela As a single mother I think even if the "economic support" could be HUGE, there isn't a reason for any woman to ask or beg for child support, for God sake!!! as women WE COULD DO ANYTHING!!!! no matter how bad are the circumstances. I'm actually raising my 11 year old daughter, I'm 31 years old and it's hard but not impossible!!!!! Of course the baby has rights but money isn't everything, all the news would remain on the internet and when that poor girl reach her teen years she'll know what involved her birth and that is worse than loosing all the money Goran could give to Mirela.
About Ivana I don't know how she can be SO SURE about the foundation of her marriage, it's evident Goran doesn't think the same way... if I were Ivana the second I heard from HIS LIPS "I was under alcohol influence" I would have slapped his face and ask him to leave the house, she can do better, DIGNITY is a word she needs to learn.
About Maura If for some particular reason she might BE THINKING or ACTUALLY IS INTERESTED IN GORAN, she better get the hell out of that mess, too COMPLICATED to handle. She can surely do better, she deserves the best and for now I don't think Goran is the best she could get.
**Viviana**
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Post by daniella on Jul 13, 2007 7:10:17 GMT 10
I really am starting to scare myself spending so much damn time on this site discussing this matter, but I'm just floored by some of these recent remarks. How can anyone state that GV doesn't have to love an innocent child, only claim paternity and support if proven he is the biological father. There is a great deal of contradiction here, since the same poster finds it acceptable and believe that he truly loves and has chosen to support yet another child, who he is certain is not his biological child? I don't care who it is, GV, Eddie Murphy, the Pope, the president or God Almighty ... any decent human being who fathers a child and has the ability to care for it, but decides they will not love it or be part of their lives has a big big big problem and anyone who believes that this is acceptable has a bigger problem than that person. IMO, GV has always presented himself to be a decent person, and I truly hope we won't be disappointed. Of course, he has no one to answer to except the man upstairs!!! First of all... Love is something that is build together... if I was a man one day the press it talking about me, having a afair and the mother is telling everyone that the child is mine, I would have the same reaction... I keep what a said before: she can have the paternity proved and the money for her daughter... but love ? Only if he wants to give his love to the child... only if he wants to approach they... if he doesn't want, it's his problem, not mine aqnd not yours... Remember that Mirella was saying at first that Goran WASN'T the father of her daughter... if she knows for sure, why would she says that and after says that Goran IS the father ? Come on... As to finish this for me, I have issues yes, that's why I go to teraphy, but my issues are diferently from this one... my issues are from rejection of my time at school... 13 years... And you know ? I'm tired of all this... you all can blame him as much as you can... go say he is the father of this girl and others... I still like Goran and I'm still a fan... I'm off of here now... Dani
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Post by mrseyre on Jul 13, 2007 7:22:38 GMT 10
Whoa ... this is getting really crazy. The bottom line is that the three of them have an agenda, and each one is self-serving. The only ones who are innocent in this mess are the two children ... plain and simple. There have been rumors that the Visnjic's marriage started off on the wrong foot, simply because it was based on mutual ambition and convenience, instead of love, trust and respect. I guess the years finally took their toll. However, Goran was still wrong, as he is still legally married. If you want to vacation alone, party and sleep around, you should be separated or single. Ivana is smart, schrewd and self-serving. The adoption, its timing, the release of the Christening pictures and her family's influence in Croatia and its media have set her up as a saint, and this "saint" will forgive her man's one indiscretion because her marriage is so strong and happy, and, of course, she only coicidentally adopted this child at this time because all she really wants to do now is raise a child to complete their happy and strong marriage. Oh please. Perhaps she is the better actor in this relationship. Let's face it, she has a lot to lose in a divorce, and I'm sure she'll do whatever it takes to preserve her financial security. As for other woman ... she probably knew exactly what she was doing by becoming pregnant. She will be financially secure as well. On the other hand, perhaps it wasn't intentional. Either way, these two women are calling the shots right now. It is clear that Ivana and her family are an instrumental force behind Goran's recent statements, and it's ridiculous. Goran's persona during any interview, whether personal or written, has never come across in the way he is currently being quoted. IMO, he is being pressured to make these statements, and he is in a mess. Whether or not these children were planned or welcome is not the point. The point is they are here and I just hope that as a decent human being, he does the right thing by these children. Actually, if he were smart, he should free himself of both these women, motion in the courts for full custody of both children, hire a nanny and raise and enjoy these kids as a single parent - wonder what those two women would do then??? Oh for God's sake. You know nothing about the basis of the marriage other than rumours you for some reason want to believe. And I don't now how long it takes to adopt a child in the states (remember all those posts about how on earth they managed it not being US ctizens?) but I doubt it's a speedy process. I gathert that you don't much like Mrs V (or anyone elseinvolvedcome to that) but your comments about the adoption and Christening are shabby. You know what, my marriage must be sunk because we each take holidays abroad apart and even go out drinking without the other. As far as I know my husband hasn't strayed but there are worse things he could do to me after 25 years than have a drunken one night stand. I'm a grown up, stuff happens. You get over it or you don't, but projecting what you would yourself do onto others doesn't make them wrong. I don't suppose Mrs V was thrilled about it but if she can get over then who are you to say she's wrong or manipulative or any other damned thing? He did wrong; not being able to say for sure that he wasn't the father of the baby he paid the mother. It would have stayed private and not exposed the child to any of this if the mother hadn't gone public and demanded ridiculous amounts of money. Why are you so determined to place the worst possible interpretation on everything in an already difficult situation?
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Post by annita on Jul 13, 2007 7:32:41 GMT 10
I am doing no such thing ... I too have been married for over 25 years and as a wife and mother would find it quite odd if my husband were to vacation for weeks without me and/or our children. Yes, we've been apart for a couple of days, but have been either with family and/or close friends. Not on another continent partying, drinking and acting as though we were single. If that's a life someone wants to live, so be it. I am simply stating what is my opinion, and you are correct, I do not have nor have I had a very high opinion of Mrs. V. That too is my opinion. I actually cannot believe that I even post on these subjects, as I only was interested in spoilers for ER ... I actually got caught in this gossip trap and to tell you the truth ... I'm done as I really am starting to laugh at the insanity!
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Post by mrseyre on Jul 13, 2007 7:36:53 GMT 10
I really am starting to scare myself spending so much damn time on this site discussing this matter, but I'm just floored by some of these recent remarks. How can anyone state that GV doesn't have to love an innocent child, only claim paternity and support if proven he is the biological father. There is a great deal of contradiction here, since the same poster finds it acceptable and believe that he truly loves and has chosen to support yet another child, who he is certain is not his biological child? I don't care who it is, GV, Eddie Murphy, the Pope, the president or God Almighty ... any decent human being who fathers a child and has the ability to care for it, but decides they will not love it or be part of their lives has a big big big problem and anyone who believes that this is acceptable has a bigger problem than that person. IMO, GV has always presented himself to be a decent person, and I truly hope we won't be disappointed. Of course, he has no one to answer to except the man upstairs!!! First of all... Love is something that is build together... if I was a man one day the press it talking about me, having a afair and the mother is telling everyone that the child is mine, I would have the same reaction... I keep what a said before: she can have the paternity proved and the money for her daughter... but love ? Only if he wants to give his love to the child... only if he wants to approach they... if he doesn't want, it's his problem, not mine aqnd not yours... Remember that Mirella was saying at first that Goran WASN'T the father of her daughter... if she knows for sure, why would she says that and after says that Goran IS the father ? Come on... As to finish this for me, I have issues yes, that's why I go to teraphy, but my issues are diferently from this one... my issues are from rejection of my time at school... 13 years... And you know ? I'm tired of all this... you all can blame him as much as you can... go say he is the father of this girl and others... I still like Goran and I'm still a fan... I'm off of here now... Dani Dani - you aren't alone. How can he love a child he doesn't know? Given the circumstances of the conception how could he ever be more than a financial support (or meal ticket for mum if the 2 million euros she was after were to be coughed up). He didn't intend to father the child and if he didn't know about it until Rupic was 5 months on he had no input into the decisions surrounding the pregnancy or how it could be handled with least damage done. I don't see why this has to mean he's a faithless bastard rather than an otherwise perfectly decent bloke who got drunk and made a hideous mistake. I'm weary of it too; God help us all if our own behaviour were ever subjected to such scrutiny and the characters and motives of our partners judged like this.
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Post by mrseyre on Jul 13, 2007 7:44:53 GMT 10
But that's just you - why does that mean it has to apply to everyone else or be "odd"? And what does "acting like you're single" mean?
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Post by annita on Jul 13, 2007 7:58:07 GMT 10
You are correct ... that is just me, but again, being me, it is my opinion. Opinions are not facts, and I don't expect anyone to agree with me, however, I shouldn't be expected to agree with anyone else's opinion. Also, what I meant by being single, in this case, is a married person acting as though there was no responsibility or accountability to their partner. Again, this is only my opinion.
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Post by crazzy11 on Jul 13, 2007 9:13:59 GMT 10
Actually Annita that's not JUST YOU. I'm backing you up here!
And Viviana, beautifully put, and yes that was exactly what I meant! Thank you!
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Post by crazzy11 on Jul 13, 2007 9:47:11 GMT 10
Ok, hum, just so you guys know, People.com has it, E! News online has it and for Brasilian TV GLobo has it just as well tv.globo.com/ENT/Tv/Seriados/ER/0,AA1585685-7137,00.html
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Post by snowfall on Jul 13, 2007 9:48:21 GMT 10
If it is fair game to comment on the opinions of people who put themselves in the public eye only by their participation on a fan board, then it follows that when people give extensive public interviews as Ivana did regarding the adoption and Goran has recently done on his current paternity case - that it is no less reasonable to comment on those statements. Whether one chooses to make moral judgements or to make assumptions surrounding either of these events or not, the fact is that to many people there are striking oddities conveyed in both.
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Post by larue on Jul 13, 2007 13:42:44 GMT 10
And I don't now how long it takes to adopt a child in the states (remember all those posts about how on earth they managed it not being US ctizens?) but I doubt it's a speedy process.
We did two international adoptions. One took us 8 months from the filing of our 'formal' application, preceded by two pre-adoption applications, and one took us 11 months (and only required an 'up dated' home study). There are alot of hoops that need to be jumped through - home studies, financial reports, medical reports, paperwork up the wazoo (we needed copies of my husband's antiquated divorce decree!). I have no doubts that the Visnjics had to do the same. Implying that they 'bought' their son is an insult to the adoption process. Although, having money certainly can open a few of the necessary doors....as Rosie O'Donnell and Angelina Jolie have admitted publicly. And verified by our own experience with a certain judge in one of the countries we adopted from.
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Post by viviclooney on Jul 14, 2007 1:31:48 GMT 10
Where are his PR Representatives???Oh, I just found out Ivana was his PR Representative.... He better change his PR Representative because is causing him SO MUCH TROUBLE!!!!!!!!!!!! All he needed to say was: "I recognize it was a mistake, never thought it would happen to me and I'm extremely sorry, my wife knew everything because I told her all the truth and I'm going to take the DNA test as soon as possible to find out" NOTHING MORE THAN THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Goran: Maybe you could hire me to be your PR Representative, at least I would have made you GIVE BETTER STATEMENTS!!!! **Viviana**
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Post by annita on Jul 14, 2007 4:25:04 GMT 10
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Post by mrseyre on Jul 14, 2007 5:34:30 GMT 10
And how different most of the comments are to the stuff on many of the boards.
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Post by snowfall on Jul 14, 2007 7:03:34 GMT 10
I'm sure the comments are different on the TV Guide site because the article is very different. No sordid details, no negative comments about the woman involved or the limitation on his involvement with the baby depending on her outcome as a human being, no blaming of alcohol or lack of sleep. Goran brought the negativity on himself with his initial presentation. If his PR people can save him here - then that is what they are paid for. But if that initial interview was a revelation of his true character instead of some sort of manipulation for reasons yet unknown, well then I think disillusionment is in order - personally speaking. IMO it came off as pandering to his wife - instead of any sort of proper public statement - and rather pathetic pandering at that.
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