~Bel Vezer~
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Post by ~Bel Vezer~ on Jun 21, 2007 23:10:16 GMT 10
Whoever translated the initial interview, did an absolutely horrendous job. It's very clear to me, having read the Spanish version, how his comments have been so misconstrued.
Here is my own quickly assembled and rather rough version. I think it does a better job of conveying what he actually said though.
"It didn't change that much. Honestly, you just have to readjust things so everything works out. ... In my family, my job has always been a priority and my wife understands that. Even with the baby in the house, we both understand that in this business, once you've signed a contract, you need to be there for filming regardless of health or what-have-you. Now, I will have more time to enjoy with them, but we are conscious that, as an actor, one has to comply to whatever place and time is required of you. You can't just call the studio to say that you're sick, no, you just put on your best face and go to work."
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Post by daniella on Jun 21, 2007 23:14:07 GMT 10
This may be out of topic, but I always thought that if the birth parents of a baby who wasn't born in the US are natural American citizens, then the baby is automatically considered to be an American citizen. I didn't think they had to be registered for it. I was naturalized as a US citizen, but I was just wondering because I sorta don't want my child or children to be born in the US, but I didn't know how that would play out since I'm not a natural citizen. Do both parents have to be US citizens? I'm confused. A lot of countries have weird and stingy rules about who they welcome into their country. I may misundertood your question, but I don't think it's like this... every country has the right of the child before or/and even after the adoption is officialized... Like, Brazil for example... the child is Brazilian even if the parents officialized the adoption... the child only pass to be American or Canadian after the citizenship is aplyied... Dani
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Post by annita on Jun 21, 2007 23:36:26 GMT 10
IMO ... the bottom line is that GV's first priority is his career, no matter how it is translated. I can't imagine any parent saying that their lives haven't changed that much with the addition of a baby ... your life is changed drastically, but also IMO for the better! I still have my own views as to this adoption, which do not conform to most of the opinions on this board, so I'll just keep them to myself.
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Post by mrseyre on Jun 22, 2007 0:28:38 GMT 10
I can't see anything that GV has said that doesn't apply to just about every breadwinner anywhere. Most people get a couple of weeks at home with the baby and then get back to work because they have to; what's the difference? Adjustments will be made but the work goes on.
And really, this isn't a situation in which he has to choose between work or family, it's about the two things co-exisiting. I don't get the fuss.
ETA: in the end it's none of our damned business how he and Ivana organise their lives; there's no "right" way to do it, each family works out what works for them - it isn't for any of us to be critical of them as we actually know bugger all about it.
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Post by larue on Jun 22, 2007 1:45:45 GMT 10
ETA: in the end it's none of our damned business how he and Ivana organise their lives; there's no "right" way to do it, each family works out what works for them - it isn't for any of us to be critical of them as we actually know bugger all about it.
Well said, my friend, well said.
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Post by snowfall on Jun 22, 2007 3:11:35 GMT 10
I do agree that it's none of our business how couples organize their work and domestic lives. However surely the point is not that Goran said that work comes before family (and however it's translated, that does seem to be what he is saying), but that this was his immediate response and basically the main thing he said when asked about the baby. It's not how I would have expected someone who is generally very enthusiastic about things to respond.
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Post by maggie on Jun 22, 2007 6:43:31 GMT 10
Whoever translated the initial interview, did an absolutely horrendous job. It's very clear to me, having read the Spanish version, how his comments have been so misconstrued. Here is my own quickly assembled and rather rough version. I think it does a better job of conveying what he actually said though. "It didn't change that much. Honestly, you just have to readjust things so everything works out. ... In my family, my job has always been a priority and my wife understands that. Even with the baby in the house, we both understand that in this business, once you've signed a contract, you need to be there for filming regardless of health or what-have-you. Now, I will have more time to enjoy with them, but we are conscious that, as an actor, one has to comply to whatever place and time is required of you. You can't just call the studio to say that you're sick, no, you just put on your best face and go to work." Yeah. That sounds a lot more realistic and less like a cold robot. I knew something was fishy with the translation. And for the record, "in my opinion" is a pretty key phrase in what I said...which is my business, as I was stating a subjective point and made that clear. So put away the sharpened spears.
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Post by mrseyre on Jun 22, 2007 7:53:56 GMT 10
He was answering a question about a specific aspect of the babys arrival. It isn't as though he was asked "What's it like to be a father?" and answered "Makes no difference to me, I still have to concentrate on my work".
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Post by daniella on Jun 22, 2007 8:35:01 GMT 10
Let me ask one question: did you girls read or listen an actor/ actress ( american or not ) saying that between his career and family, he/ she would pick family ? Now and then, you see actresses taking their kids to the set to be with them...
Gillian Anderson, Michelle Pfeifer, rachel Weiz and others did it... even Jennifer Gardner stopped for a few months becauser of her daughter...
But, did they stopped their career, to be with their family ? No...
I put in my example, women, who are mothers and actresses...
Now, Johnny Depp's daughter almost died fron an infection in the blood... he stopped the promotion of Pirates 3 to be with her, but began again when she was out of the hospital... does this make him a bad father ?
I think that Goran was trying to make a point: he wouldn't let his family ( the adoption and all ) to be on the way of his career...
Why are everyone making such a mess for what he said, anyway ?
Dani ( just tired of reading this discussion )
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Post by viviclooney on Jun 25, 2007 17:59:45 GMT 10
I don't think all this discussion is about translations at all, its about the different points of view of the members of this board.
* As a mother I would put my kid first over work, significant other, family members or friends.
* If I was an actress I probably stay with the baby some time but if I have work to do I'd go to do it and make sure the baby would be attended in the best way possible.
In this particular case I think Ivana would probably be the one taking care of Tin most of the time, as a sculptor she might be working at home so she'd be able to take care of Tin while she works.
On the other hand, Goran have to go to auditions, make musical videos and probably attend some business meetings which is not a good environment for a newborn.
However, I expected more emotion when he was asked about the new baby at home...
Just saying....
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Post by snowfall on Jun 26, 2007 5:25:47 GMT 10
He was answering a question about a specific aspect of the babys arrival. It isn't as though he was asked "What's it like to be a father?" and answered "Makes no difference to me, I still have to concentrate on my work". I think the point is that he was asked a pretty general question about how his life changed with the adoption. He could have answered, as I think most new fathers would, in a very emotional way about how it felt the first time he saw him, how wonderful it was to be a father , how it changed him and his life and so on...as Noah Wyle did when asked a similar question after the birth of his son. Instead Goran's immediate response was very concrete, that his life hadn't changed, and he talked about his work commitments and how they took priority. It seems very detached - and very different from the enthusiastic way he talks about his ER "family" and how close he is to them.
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Post by mrseyre on Jun 26, 2007 9:37:28 GMT 10
And? Who dictates what he should have said? He didn't give some "ideal" formulaic answer but was honest. If it happens not to live up to your standard of parental besottedness well that's him damned then.
I wondered when someone would show up here to compare him to Noah Wyle, World's Greatest Dad Family Man. Tiresome.
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Post by maggie on Jun 26, 2007 15:46:52 GMT 10
You know, I could care less what he does with the kid, to be honest. But from the perspective of someone with a less-than-ideal relationship with her father, I'd just like to offer the hope that whatever relationship they do have is healthy and that the kid gets to see his father enough.
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Post by snowfall on Jun 26, 2007 22:28:24 GMT 10
And? Who dictates what he should have said? He didn't give some "ideal" formulaic answer but was honest. If it happens not to live up to your standard of parental besottedness well that's him damned then.
I wondered when someone would show up here to compare him to Noah Wyle, World's Greatest Dad Family Man. Tiresome. Sorry. I wasn't clear. I hold no great brief for NW. In fact, I dislike him, but his response was what one might expect (even hope for) from a proud and happy new dad. Nor am I disappointed by GV's response, but I am curious why someone who is usually effusive about things that make him happy, should have given such a response to a general question about his new status. One of the things I really like about GV is how natural he is and how, for an actor, he seems unable to conceal his real feelings. So, really I am just a bit bemused that he seems to have been caught off guard, and that his knee jerk response was to talk about it not changing his life and how work comes first. After all, the interviewer did not ask him how the baby had affected his work schedule, nor did he/she ask what he would do if he got sick....
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alaeangelorum
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Post by alaeangelorum on Jun 26, 2007 22:39:55 GMT 10
So, really I am just a bit bemused that he seems to have been caught off guard, and that his knee jerk response was to talk about it not changing his life and how work comes first. After all, the interviewer did not ask him how the baby had affected his work schedule, nor did he/she ask what he would do if he got sick.... This was one of the interviews he did while abroad, right? Perhaps he interpreted the question as asking why he was away from his young baby, or perhaps, if a translator was used, something got a bit lost in the meaning, or that wasn't all that he said, etc, etc. Or perhaps not. Who knows.
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