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Post by lubbybaby on Jul 2, 2006 4:38:03 GMT 10
The whole story is a little too weird if you ask me! 1- To be honest I can't see Luka loosing another child specially since he's the main character now. (Yeah, I know Carter was the main guy and lost a baby, but he was leaving the show, so it made sense) But I keep remebering S12 line of Luka "I don't want the story of my family to be rest of my life" (or something like that) 2- Besides Abby had a hystorectomy already and the baby has had it's own drama... ... ... Death just doesn't make any sense here. Otherweise why would the baby have all this drama around it? With Carter it was death and that was done! That was the drama. (see where I'm coming from?) 3- Two dead Babies so close to one another? ok, I think that is really a lack of imagination. Maybe Abby is going to suffer from depression and the negleting her child for some time. (I heard of mothers who neglet their babies for some time - Brooke Shields is an example - if I'm not mistaken) I think in this siuation her father (the man who neglected her for so many years) showing up would make a lot o sense. It would get her to wake up and realise what she was doing. --- This sounds like a pretty good drama turn out. It could also bring Abby to realise what Luka means to her. The fact that he waits with their baby for her to feel ready to be a mom ... ... ... Unless they want to take Luka to Sam and Abby back to Carter, than the death of this baby can actually make sense. But that would be too stupid! and way too ridiculous. I mean the coming and going of couples ... ... Usually when a couple (in a tv show) tries the second time around is to stick together, is to prove that they really love each other, specially so close to the end of the show.
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Post by larue on Jul 2, 2006 13:16:21 GMT 10
Hmmm...I was thinking about this one today. Abby was 7 when her father left and had at least one more encounter with hi after that. Wouldn't she remember what he looked like?
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Post by rorygilmore on Jul 2, 2006 16:04:38 GMT 10
Lubbybaby: everything you've said makes completely sense, specially the 3rd point about Abby's father...I hope it comes out like you said.
One thing that is really bothering me is that paper Abby signed in an agreement with Kerry, to have Henry's custody in case something happened to Kerry...i don't know...could it be possible that something actually will happen to Kerry...and then Abby looses her baby...maybe she'll have to take care of Henry filling that space her son left....I don't know...I think I'm mooning but could this be possible? ...Or maybe little Joe will survive and then something happens to Kerry and LUBY will have another son to take care of?? Yeah, I know the idea is totally crazy, but is this possible? 'cause I don't think the screenwritters had make her signed that document for nothing...
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Post by lubbybaby on Jul 3, 2006 0:35:14 GMT 10
Rory Gilmore, I think it could be the second child thing. I mean, the more I try to think about this baby's death, the less I believe in it. Unless Goran is leaving the show, because come on, Luka is still hanging around after loosing a child and Abby?! Don't think so! Besides didn't Goran say he'd be really pissed if they killed this baby?. I'm sure Goran would leave if that were the case! Does anyone know if he's leaving or not. Last I heard he wasn't leaving! if they heard Maura about the falling of the wagon thing, I'm sure they heard Goran on the baby thing. Oh, yeah, from the Spoilers of 13.02 - Abby seems pretty down about having had a hystorectomy (She storms at Maggie about it)- The depression could also come of that (It's a part of you that isn't there anymore and Abby seemed to have fun on beeing pregnant... ... ... after the baby is home ok, it could finally sink in hat she can't have that the second time around) and Henry could be a rescue in the end. (maybe not S13 but S14)
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Post by larue on Jul 3, 2006 10:29:27 GMT 10
No offense to Abby but I could see a HUGE custody thing happening if something were to happen to Kerry....especially if she were to fall off the wagon after the Lubylets birth. Sandy had brothers with families that would surely seek custody if an alcoholic post partum depressive person were to get custody via a parental demise.
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Post by crazyday on Jul 3, 2006 15:33:33 GMT 10
Lubbybaby: everything you've said makes completely sense, specially the 3rd point about Abby's father...I hope it comes out like you said. One thing that is really bothering me is that paper Abby signed in an agreement with Kerry, to have Henry's custody in case something happened to Kerry...i don't know...could it be possible that something actually will happen to Kerry...and then Abby looses her baby...maybe she'll have to take care of Henry filling that space her son left....I don't know...I think I'm mooning but could this be possible? ...Or maybe little Joe will survive and then something happens to Kerry and LUBY will have another son to take care of?? Yeah, I know the idea is totally crazy, but is this possible? 'cause I don't think the screenwritters had make her signed that document for nothing... Abby ending up with Henry is entirely possible. As a matter of fact, I've never been able to get that episode off my mind But what if that was TPTB's plan, to get our heads wrapped around that and then something else happen from out of nowhere? I'm thinking that if something did happen to Kerry, it would happen at a time when Abby nor the audience would be expecting it. Occuring so soon after the shootout seems too predictable. Maybe in the future, when Abby has forgotten about it...not that anyone would forget something that important. Or the papers could just be what they are: a symbol of Abby's growth and readiness to become a mother.
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Andie
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Post by Andie on Jul 4, 2006 5:22:43 GMT 10
I'm really enjoyng the idea of having Abby's father showing up. I think this is going to be very importat to Abby. I always thought that her issues with commitment and trusting had a lot to do with the fact that her father had abandoned her, that he had given up on her (just like the other men in her life did later: Richard, Luka and Carter)...I think that if she's gonna come to a resolution in her relationship wit her mother as the spoilers seem to point out, then she will also need to do it with her father....I really don't want to see her go back to drinking, but this is a drama show, so we just never know... I hope that her father's presence show her how different from him Luka is, and that she can trust him deeply...
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Post by larue on Jul 4, 2006 10:12:36 GMT 10
Ah...you bring up some very good points, Andiluby! Comparisons between Luka and her father and her father's parenting desires vs her own??? That would make for some interesting Abby moments. I just wish sunshine and happiness on my Luby though......no more angst. Sigh.
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stormechaser
Lady of Luby
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Post by stormechaser on Jul 4, 2006 11:53:18 GMT 10
My personal opinion on this matter:
I have learned from all the spoilers that they are about 85% right. Sometimes they have the correct info, but than the charecters involved are different or scenes are deleted.....
I don't think the baby will die. I think he is going to be ill for sometime. Coupled with that is Abby's fear of "doing everything wrong", her trauma from his birth and subsequent hysterectomy-and perhaps a bit of post-partum depression. I don't know about anyone else, but I would crack under all that.
With her history of alcoholism, I can see her falling off the wagon to that old vice. However, once everything stablelizes, I can see her in her recovery again. The one thing about Luka that I always liked over Carter was his acceptance of her being human and slipping. He was there after Brian hurt her. He knew she was coping the way she knew how. It might not be healthy, but he also knows what a strong person she is and that she will get right back on that wagon.
Time will tell!
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Post by lubbybaby on Jul 4, 2006 11:54:14 GMT 10
Lubbybaby: everything you've said makes completely sense, specially the 3rd point about Abby's father...I hope it comes out like you said. One thing that is really bothering me is that paper Abby signed in an agreement with Kerry, to have Henry's custody in case something happened to Kerry...i don't know...could it be possible that something actually will happen to Kerry...and then Abby looses her baby...maybe she'll have to take care of Henry filling that space her son left....I don't know...I think I'm mooning but could this be possible? ...Or maybe little Joe will survive and then something happens to Kerry and LUBY will have another son to take care of?? Yeah, I know the idea is totally crazy, but is this possible? 'cause I don't think the screenwritters had make her signed that document for nothing... Abby ending up with Henry is entirely possible. As a matter of fact, I've never been able to get that episode off my mind But what if that was TPTB's plan, to get our heads wrapped around that and then something else happen from out of nowhere? I'm thinking that if something did happen to Kerry, it would happen at a time when Abby nor the audience would be expecting it. Occuring so soon after the shootout seems too predictable. Maybe in the future, when Abby has forgotten about it...not that anyone would forget something that important. Or the papers could just be what they are: a symbol of Abby's growth and readiness to become a mother. Might be true, but from the spoilers it seems though as if the hysteroctemy is going o be a bigger dissapointment to Abby, I really think they are leaning towards this. I think they wanted to show us through S12 that Abby was enjoying beeing pregant therefor the line "I hope you know how much I love this, ... ... all of it" And now suddenly she can't have it again! I don't think they have too much time with the show to make Abby "forget" the papers she signed so I think it'll happen, around middle to end of S13 or beggining of S14 - ending the show wih Lubby wedding and Carter showing up for the party (Really think he'll show up for it)
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Post by debz1616 on Jul 4, 2006 22:00:03 GMT 10
I like your way of thinking stormechaser, and I do think there is a strong possibility of Abby falling off the wagon after what she has been through, but can someone help me out here because I can't remember if Luka knew about her drinking problem? From what I can remember, which I could be totally wrong about, is that the reason things started to wrong with Luka the first time was because of her hiding her drinking problem, she went to Carter for help which made Luka jealous. If he did later find out or now does know I feel that he will stand by her and help her through it.
85% of me also thinks the baby will survive, because of the spoilers for 13.02 so far but also because I'm hoping that the writers will use their imagination alittle bit and not just kill off another baby. I think the baby will have long term problems and may be he will be alittle slower at learning.
Any thoughts on the Croatia visit? Does anyone know if it has been filmed yet? debs xx
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Post by Maité on Jul 5, 2006 9:20:42 GMT 10
Any thoughts on the Croatia visit? Does anyone know if it has been filmed yet? Sorry if I'm annoying...but is it really going to be a visit to Croatia?where did you get that from?I wanna know more about it
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Post by crazyday on Jul 5, 2006 13:40:40 GMT 10
Any thoughts on the Croatia visit? Does anyone know if it has been filmed yet? Sorry if I'm annoying...but is it really going to be a visit to Croatia?where did you get that from?I wanna know more about it I've heard that GV announced it on the Today show, I think it was. I'm not exactly sure. The trip to Croatia is loooong overdue.
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Post by debz1616 on Jul 5, 2006 23:21:47 GMT 10
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Post by Abbie on Jul 6, 2006 4:46:30 GMT 10
Thanks for the clip!!! You all have great ideas about what might happen with Abby and the baby. I haven't given the paper signing thing much thought, but now that I do I'm leaning towards something happening to Kerry, and Luby taking Henry in. Why else would TPTB have Abby sign the papers and have a hystorectomy this close to eachother? With the whole custody thing... Abby signed papers stating that if anything was to happen to Kerry she would be the legal guardian for Henry. That's it, Henry would remain in Abby's care. Also, it's most likely that Abby will fall off the wagon, hopefully once baby Joe is home, and doing well, this way Luka wouldn't have to worry about Abby and Joe. I'm kinda excited to see how Abby reacts to her father. I do remember in an older episode, I think it's Rescue Me, that Abby tells Maggie outside in the rain that she went to see her father, and when she came home Maggie flipped out on her. She said she was 10 at that time, so Abby should have a pretty good memory of her father. Unless he changed, like grew a mustach, or changed his hair, or something like that. IDK I guess it's another thing we have to sit and wait for I guess
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