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Post by cheryl on Mar 27, 2006 2:19:38 GMT 10
Yay!!!!! At last a piece of hope that we can hold onto.It may be small but even the smallest of candles can burn brightly through the darkest of times.
I'm going to pray that Abby is right otherwise i might give up on this show.
I hope Joe does make it through okay and that Abby is right.Its good to see that Abby and Luka love each other dearly but why we have to see this through such tragic circumstances is beyond me.
Is anyone interested in starting a Baby Joe vigil thread with me until we get spoilers about his fate (Hopefully happy ones)?
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Post by lubbybaby on Mar 27, 2006 2:32:41 GMT 10
Yup, totally up for it!! Count me in 100%
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Post by loopyallie on Mar 27, 2006 6:13:24 GMT 10
Yes I totally agree! The little luby-let should have it's own thread for it's appreciation...
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Post by larue on Mar 27, 2006 22:04:17 GMT 10
Dang...but it's going to be a LONG hot summer as we wait for more spoilers. I am SO depressed over all this. But on a different note, the hysterectomy issue might be a good indicator to Abby that Luka really loves HER and not just the possibility of more children. Gotta find the bright side SOMEwhere because the writers sure ain't doing it for us.
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Post by lubbybaby on Mar 28, 2006 0:29:44 GMT 10
I had this idea, since no one is in favor of Abby's hysterectomy, I thought we could write or send an e-mail to TPTB letting them know we are not in favor of this; that we all think the drama alone with the baby is enough and there's no need to put Abby's character through this!
What do you think?
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Post by larue on Mar 28, 2006 11:25:08 GMT 10
I have a tendency to be a tad pessimistic but does anyone else smell an exit arc here?? A traumatized Abby, a sick child, Luka's position in jeopardy..... If the baby dies I could seriously see Abby and Luka riding off together to work for DWB...... AARRGGGGGHHHHH! Please save me someone!
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Post by carrie on Mar 28, 2006 13:59:32 GMT 10
Actually I thought of the exit arc POV myself. Maura and Goran are only signed up for one more season (well, I know Goran is... not sure about Maura.) Then again, I'm probably the most pessamistic person you'll ever meet. I have no clue if this kid's going to survive or not, but the hysterectomy (forgive my spelling if it is incorrect) has me absolutely fuming. Seriously.. no more little lubylets? Why?
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Post by debz1616 on Mar 28, 2006 19:26:59 GMT 10
I think it all depends on what other projects Goran has... I did read somewhere that he can have leave for a film, don't forget he did try for James Bond which is NOW filming, maybe the story line was written with the view he might not be around much. I have been checking E!onlines dotted line page to see if he has signed for anything in the States but it doesn't cover any work in Croatia. Do we have any Croatians on this board that can investigate? debs x
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Post by zelda on Mar 28, 2006 22:16:27 GMT 10
I hate TPTB poor imagination with the worst scenario ever:Abby having a hysterectomy and baby Joe fighting in NICU to survive.The only thing which makes me laugh ( sorry, but I don't like Carter and his appearance in season12 is meaningless for me ) is that Carbies won't see their dream come true: no Carbylet in the future, whatever happens in Season 13.I'm being very narrow-minded , but Luby is the best thing which happened,and I don't want any changes!
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Post by debz1616 on Mar 29, 2006 6:48:03 GMT 10
I got an interesting email today but this is the wrong thread so I have added it to Goran's thread debs x
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Post by lubbybaby on Mar 29, 2006 9:34:40 GMT 10
Hey, guys I just got a really cool critic from "The Critical eye", OK, this is her opinion but it's something I for one totally agree with! (Oh, by the way it's from AEB) Here it goes: I've read the conversation regarding Luka being fired, and the conversation regarding whether the baby will die with some interest and no small amount amusement. One perspective I've yet to see on all this is Luka's post-firing and/or post infant death. So, my thoughts, for what they're worth. Baby first: What on earth would be the point of killing the baby? That's what I keep asking myself. This whole Luka and Abby reunion has been about second chances, and getting it right, not easily, but with work. The baby is the ultimate expression of that, to me, particularly where Luka is concerned. To have the baby die, simply put, would destroy him as a character. He'd never get back from it. Were this Goran Visnjic's exit arc, perhaps. But he's got another year to go and it just doesn't add up. (And frankly, on a more practical level, if they let this baby die after doing it to Carter, they risk alienating a huge chunk of the audience, I'd conjecture.) It will be a struggle, they may face a baby with a disability, but that baby will live. Luka firing second: Again, I ask myself: why? It's pointless to have Luka go through a period of redefinition as dramatic as his has been, finally accept himself as not only part of a group from which he has always felt separate to some degree, and to find he really cares for these people. Why, then have him take up the role of their leader, only to kick the ladder out from under him? And for grossly unfair reasons? That seems patently absurd. He's certainly a reluctant leader, who put his name in the mix(ture) both because Clemente pricked his ego and he felt that old Kovac protective urge, but he's coming to both love the job and to be pretty good at it. So he's fired. Now what? It just doesn't compute. (Again, the practical looms: this is our lead, and being the Chief affords him far more breadth than being a disgraced doctor in the trauma room. Plus, if he is, Clemente wins. We can't have that.) I think it's entirely possible Luka will never know about the decision to fire him, or will only learn about it after the fact. It may also be he's chosen his family, as his patient did at Christmas, and trusted the rest to Kerry. I always sensed that little scene would have some future meaning. At worst, this is Luka's trial by fire that cements him as the ER leader. To me, this is about Kerry reaching her bridge too far, and whether she'll cross it. This isn't just another character, as Chen was, in whom she has minimal investment. This is Luka, who Kerry hired, who was the only one who knew of her sexuality, kept the secret and never judged, then sympathized, and with whom she has had a fascinating, complex dance of a relationship for seven years, despite the writers' abortive attempt to take a sledgehammer to it a few years back. This is also Kerry at a crossroads, redefining herself absent the disability that has been her lifelong companion. That's a natural time for self-evaluation, and perhaps Kerry can no longer be the Kerry who would save herself and let Luka drown. So my take: Kerry saves Luka, possibly at the expense of herself, he remains Chief of the ER, and she remains on staff with the ability to look herself in the mirror for the first time in a long time. This season has been all about character evolution, and this, not the change in her mobility, is the natural peak for Kerry's.
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Post by larue on Mar 29, 2006 11:35:30 GMT 10
THANK you for sharing this.....and taking the edge off the whole Luka/Abby/sick baby scenario. It has had me SO depressed that even attempting to write my fan fics can't get me out of the doldrums. I say 'attempting' because I haven't been able to write a coherent paragraph since these spoilers hit. Oh where oh where is Cranky and her recaps??? I need a laugh. .
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Post by carrie on Mar 29, 2006 14:54:05 GMT 10
Hey, guys I just got a really cool critic from "The Critical eye", OK, this is her opinion but it's something I for one totally agree with! (Oh, by the way it's from AEB) ... I totally agree. I'm really hoping that the whole Luka/firing situation never happens, and that this storyline is about Kerry stepping up to the plate and admitting she was the one who was wrong. Remember, she is the one who hired Clemente, insisted he come back after the shooting, and she's the one whose been pushing him down Luka's throat all season. I hope that it is Kerry, not Luka, who gets demoted (although NOT fired - I like Kerry too much). It could be a good thing... we'd see a lot more of her character if she wasn't in administration. Meanwhile Luka deserves his job both as an attending and the head of the ER. He's doing a really good job, and it makes me ill to think the writers would mess that up. As for the baby, after all of this... all the drama they are building up, this kid just HAS to survive. Can you imagine them spending so much on a storyline like this just to have the child die? What would be the point? To cause these characters more missery? It would be absurd, and quite frankly, cruel. I've been very upset about the recent spoilers, and I am seeing that most people agree. I'm hoping that TPTB will see our reactions and will allow this storyline to have a positive outcome.
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Post by larue on Mar 29, 2006 21:25:07 GMT 10
that Maura hated kids had caught me off guard There have been SO many references about Abby that come from the 'hate posts' on the message boards. Maura made an off hand remark in a way old interview - I think it was on 'The View' - about not being particularly maternal or wanting kids of her own. Suddenly, and repeatedly, she has been blasted as a 'kid hater'. Frankly, I have observed her as being very good with kids in most of her ER encounters with them as patients.
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Post by loopyallie on Mar 30, 2006 3:39:06 GMT 10
Remember the movie "Liar Liar"? The kid Justin Cooper who played the son Max, he said in his interview that him and Maura got on well and she was good to him by giving him deals...
I find it annoying that because Maura doesn't feel "maternal" that doesn't means that she's a kid hater...
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