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Post by Melimelo on Sept 1, 2007 18:23:03 GMT 10
I am confused by the title as Under the influence may not mean Abby has fallen off the wagon..but it definately gives us that impression. Last time Abby was drinking was around the time Asshole Brian assaulted her..she continued to drink even after she temporarily moved in with Luka and Carter got really pissed at Luka for not stopping her. Abby doesn't have to get blind drunk...she only needs to have one or two drinks and she is in trouble and she knows as an alcoholic she would need help....but who would she reach out to? Luka? Neela? Pratt? Carter? I actually hope this story line is wrong.....Abby deserves to be happy....but the spoilers suggest she is drinking so happiness might be on hold.
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Post by helen on Sept 2, 2007 16:48:25 GMT 10
She needs to reach out to her sponsor!
Why would she reach out to Carter? His treatment of her alcoholism was the worst aspect of their relationship, and one of the main reasons it failed, imho!
I don't think Cloudy is saying that alcoholism is directly inherited, Daniella. Just because one or both of a person's parents is an alcoholic doesn't mean that person will be, either. And one could be alcoholic without either of one's parents being so.
There is a pre-disposition to it, however.
And I completely agree with Cloudy that it is not a character flaw - to say that others in Abby's position don't turn to drink is to miss the point completely.
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Post by Melimelo on Sept 4, 2007 15:22:12 GMT 10
It's funny..we have spent the last two seasons being spoonfed Abby being "Super Doc" and now we are going to see her spiral out of control? Seems weird but I guess they have to give Abby's character something other than focusing on her new husband still in Croatia with ailing father....but I guess it's all relative too. (Sorry I just mainly wanted to get off my no 911 post)
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Post by annita on Sept 5, 2007 2:50:54 GMT 10
IMO and what I hope is that we see Abby getting re-involved in her personal recovery as a recovering alcoholic. If Abby did drink, I really hope TPTB let the slip be her wake-up call. IMO, this is the one issue that has not been addressed in Luka & Abby's relationship. It seems as though she's made herself believe she may be cured, as she hasn't had a drink thus far. What alcoholics tend to forget, however, is you are never cured and even though a person is not drinking, it doesn't mean that person is sober. Take the rum out of the fruit cake and you still have fruit cake. In any event, if Zabel is supervising and/or writing the storylines relating to Luka and Abby, any bumps put in the road will still ultimately lead us to happy and secure Luby ending, both accepting unconditionally who and what they both are!
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Post by alaeangelorum on Sept 5, 2007 8:01:07 GMT 10
It seems as though she's made herself believe she may be cured, as she hasn't had a drink thus far. What alcoholics tend to forget, however, is you are never cured and even though a person is not drinking, it doesn't mean that person is sober. This is going to sound like a very stupid question, but how can anybody who is not drinking not be sober? I thought sober meant...not drinking. It's possible Abby had thought so far that she was OK and could handle her alcoholism. She's not unaware of it though, seeing as she said as much to Luka last season.
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Post by helen on Sept 5, 2007 11:40:56 GMT 10
Yeah, she's sober... but she's still a drunk.
You hear alcoholics say "I've been sober x weeks.months/years".
I also agree that the drinking issue hasn't been fully addressed by Abby, or by Luka, who seems to be rather blase about it (even given that Europeans do tend to be more relaxed about these things.)
I just hope it isn't dragged out for too long. But on the other hand, it can't be too quickily resolved - that would be too unrealistic.
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Post by larue on Sept 5, 2007 12:05:19 GMT 10
I would have to agree about the predisposition for alcoholism. My mother's father was a falling down, abusive drunk. Her stepfather was a lovable, silly drunk. My mother would drink only on rare occasions and be very, very silly...and relaxed. My sister and I however, both have a serious allergy to alcohol...like swell up and can't breathe kind of allergy. Go figure.
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Post by annita on Sept 5, 2007 12:26:05 GMT 10
This is going to sound like a very stupid question, but how can anybody who is not drinking not be sober? I thought sober meant...not drinking.
It's not a stupid question at all. Most people believe that any alcoholic who simply refrains from drinking is considered sober. That's not the case. There are alcoholics who become complacent with their recovery and let their guard down with the disease because they haven't had a drink for an extended period of time. They stop going to meetings, don't call their sponsors, etc. Relapse is almost inevitable as the alcoholic believes that they are in control. The important thing is that if an alcohlic relapses, they get back to their program, which is considered a "we" program, ASAP. Relapse may be part of recovery, but it is not a requirement. Simply not drinking doesn't mean an alcoholic is sober - sobriety is change; that is, learning to change your thought process and reaction to face fears and feelings (anger, lonliness, lack of control, abandonment, self-pity and even happiness) without picking up a drink.
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Post by daniella on Sept 5, 2007 20:36:53 GMT 10
that, i have to agree... but they didn't do it in Abby's case... just because she's in pressure, she drank... even if she passed to a lot of worse...
They just put her as a relapsed woman, even if she was in control ( like I said, she went to bars and people could drink in front of her kind of control )...
If she was in Neela's case ( with her husband in Iraq and all ) she would be a lot of more worried than she is now... at least Luka is there with his family... yes, he is late, but she knows how to reach him...
Dani
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Post by hinkydoodle on Sept 5, 2007 20:40:36 GMT 10
We have seen in spoilers that she can't always reach him and that doesn't matter. he's far away and is of no real help to her while he's there. She still has to do her job, care for a baby, juggle everything in their married life on her own and she gets no break and no down time because she doesn't have him there to help at all. That is a lot of stress for one person and it looks like he's been gone for a lot longer than Abby probably thought he would be.
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Post by daniella on Sept 5, 2007 20:54:11 GMT 10
Yes, but like I said before, thos is no excuse to drink... she passed a lot worse: In Bloodline, after her sterectomy ( that only she could deal with it, but people could say I'm sorry ) and a baby in NiCU is more stress than the nowadays stress...
Yes, she can't reach Luka ( and yes, that is a problem... ), but like it's said: No news is good news... it's not like she can't really reach him like Neela couldn't with Michael ( even if she doesn't speak with him, she can call him and got him a message, like she didn on the spoilers to episode 4 ) ...
Dani
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Post by hinkydoodle on Sept 5, 2007 20:59:25 GMT 10
She couldn't reach Luka when she needed to talk to him about their baby being hurt. That's not a no news is good news situation.
And how can you say that it's less stress to be a single parent who works the crazy way ER residents work? When she was in the hospital she had her mother and her partner with her for support and she couldn't actually drink while hospitalized, even if she wanted to.
And she is an alcoholic. She will always be an alcoholic. That means she doesn't even need added stress to drink and get drunk. Today being Wednesday is a good enough reason to get drunk if she decides to.
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Post by daniella on Sept 5, 2007 21:05:25 GMT 10
Ok... I'm done with this... my opinion doesn't count just because it's different from the rest of you girls...
Everything TPTB does with Abby, some of you appear to be happy or it's right about it ( it appears so, in your opinions )...
I'm tired of it... take care...
Dani
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Post by hinkydoodle on Sept 5, 2007 21:10:35 GMT 10
No, it's just that there are certain things about alcoholism as a disease and it's treatment that really aren't the way you want them to be. Sobriety and AA and meetings and all of that are just a way of life for someone recovering. There is no cure for it.
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Post by annita on Sept 5, 2007 23:37:38 GMT 10
You are correct. Alcoholics drink because they are alcoholics, and there is no cure, but it can be controlled through a very simple program.
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