How they'll find each other?

[rorygilmore]

Being things the way they are, what do you think about Abby's behavior? What about Luka's? How will they find each other if he is taking his own path and she is not going to stop him?

[loopyallie]

The pair of them need to sit down and sort their problems out with the issues... It isn't the best of time after Luka father dying, Abby going on the bender and had a one night stand with her boss, her feeling angry at Luka for not being on the end of the phone when she needed him such as when Joe had an accident. Just pure frustration. As Luka is grieving, the last thing he wants to hear Abby's confession as he is hurting and it made things worst. He isn't in the frame of mind to deal with a lot of issues, just get over the breavement (which would take a long time for some people) Should Abby have waited? Maybe Abby too honest and the the guilt got to her.

It doesn't help that he wants to run away from the their relationship problems. Ok, maybe Luka wants his space by moving out so he can think clearly about everything round him, lots of couples have a separation period during a crisis...

Luka must remember that Abby wouldn't have done what she did if she didn't hit the bottle...

They need each other to get through this... The trust needs to be built. Look at this way, Luka hasn't had the best of realtionships, for instance Sam treated him like shit, Julie wasn't a princess either. Luka is a typical old-fashioned guy (in a good way) wants to settle to have a lovely and honest family life, like he did back in Croatia with Danijela, Marko and Jasna...

I don't think he has ever come to terms losing them... His father dying brought back the pain.

Am I waffling on?

[Ninolino]

I don't think he's taking his own path.
What I feel is the necessary in a relationship is trust and comfort. I wouldn't want to sleep next to someone who has cheated on me just because I love him and I think we can make it work. It's not about thinking about it, it's not about knowing it because it has nothing to do with rationality. It's about firmly believing they can sort this out. And I can see how Luka does not see that at this point.
I would like to see a scene where Abby asks Luka how he feels. Not what they are going to do about the situation, but how he feels about the situation.
I agree, if Abby wasn't drunk, she wouldn't have slept with Moretti. But that is not excuse. She could have killed Joe or herself that way. Would it be her fault then?
And I'm not defending Luka here. Trust me. I really do want to see happy Luby. But I just don't find it realistic if he just says he's okay with everything and that he has forgiven her everything she did wrong. And let's face it, she really did some things wrong.
The only way I can see this situation resolving if he really moves out. And if they start communicating because they miss communication not because they feel obligated to do so.
I know this sounds confusing... But it's just the way I see it. I don't want to see something not believable, even if it means sad and depressed Luby.

[zelda]

NINA,

I am so glad to hear the same analysis as mine in THE TRUTH WILL OUT! ( my first post! )


Your words are exacly what I am feeling:

" I would like to see a scene when ABBY asks LUKA how he feels."

We are really on the same wavelength!

Quoting you again:

" I don't want to see something NOT believable, even if there means sad and depressed LUBY. "

My thoughts , exactly, but I was feeling a bit lonely in my corner!

PUNO PUSA!

[Maryesa]

Ok girls, you want to debate let's go !

IMO, this catastrophic, crazy and thin season 14 is due to GV departure. Even if Zabel and co have lost a lot of their qualities, without one of the main character, involved in the only real love story of the show this past few years...it was meant to be.

when Goran decided to leave the show TPTB had a lot of choice:
- end the show, with Luby happily married forever, Ray and Neela finally in love without this stupid car accident, Sony not even in our dreams...
- they could have gently asked Maura to leave with her beloved costar,and we saw the 3 of them walking into the sunset in Hawaï
- make Luka quit for a reason or another and works in another hospital in Chicago and from time to time as Zelda said see him at home with the Gremlin
- kill him just after his wedding day because we know that ER loves to kill the grooms. and then Abby relapse would have been so realistic!
- Let him go to Croatia to take care of his father without coming home to see is just-married-wife and baby during 6 MONTHS. make the wife so weak that she started drinking to finally woke up in the chief bed exactly like in The Human shield, and of course putting her baby in jeopardy (I can admit it)...to finally see him moving out at the end of the season.

As you may have noticed, they choose the last solution which was to my mind the worst. I have to admit that I prefer to see both of them dead than separated.

I have the impression that Zabel doesn't know Luby as much as we do. it seems he doesn't care anymore about these 2. if he was so in love with this couple he wouldn't have messed up with them like that.

It's like the season 12 and 13 never happened. he was finally happy after all the drama of his life, she was finally responsible and well-adjusted after all her freaking past. they took their revange on life. I was so moved when she said to Ames "things can get better".
An now what ?? where is the interest to see them unhappy and fighting again ?

So, I know that in real life you can't forgive all the mistakes Abby made and she can't believe that just apologizing is sufficient. But we're in a tv show and we don't have time to wait for him to forgive !! they need a clear conversation NOW, and to express their f*** feelings for each other ASAP!!

the more time it takes, the less belivable it will be, I mean they have reach a point where they can hardly touch each other. it's like all the chemistry they had is just violence and aggressivity now.
They have been separate during almost a year, how can he want to go now?

what about the vows "to help each other when we need help", what about her saying just before the proposal "and if we don't have each other", what about their both smiles and loving hug in Dubrojnic airport?
and I'm not talking about the scene in City of mercy, wasn't he running to her at this time? and so what, now he prefers to runaway because Zabel thinks it's funny to complicate their life for " a period of time" ??
this is just crap.

So, to sum up, I'm pissed of after TPTB who ruined the most powerful and fascinating love story i've seen on a TV show, after Goran who decided to leave in really bad moment, after Maura who was the one who wanted Abby to have a relapse, and after all those people who think they just have what they deserve.

Miss Tierney said a thousand times that she wanted Abby to die, and we know that Zabel indulges her every whim, so we can imagine that she will have a very beautiful and tragic death which is probably the best thing that can happen. she won't be able to hurt anaybody anymore, Joe will be free from a mother who is just able to put him in jeopardy and Luka will be punished because he gave up on her too easily.

end of the story.

And I'm very sorry for this too long and totally useless speech.

[Christabelle]

Apr 29, 2008 1:16:18 GMT 10 Maryesa said:

Ok girls, you want to debate let's go !

IMO, this catastrophic, crazy and thin season 14 is due to GV departure. Even if Zabel and co have lost a lot of their qualities, without one of the main character, involved in the only real love story of the show this past few years...it was meant to be.

when Goran decided to leave the show TPTB had a lot of choice:
- end the show, with Luby happily married forever, Ray and Neela finally in love without this stupid car accident, Sony not even in our dreams...
- they could have gently asked Maura to leave with her beloved costar,and we saw the 3 of them walking into the sunset in Hawaï
- make Luka quit for a reason or another and works in another hospital in Chicago and from time to time as Zelda said see him at home with the Gremlin
- kill him just after his wedding day because we know that ER loves to kill the grooms. and then Abby relapse would have been so realistic!
- Let him go to Croatia to take care of his father without coming home to see is just-married-wife and baby during 6 MONTHS. make the wife so weak that she started drinking to finally woke up in the chief bed exactly like in The Human shield, and of course putting her baby in jeopardy (I can admit it)...to finally see him moving out at the end of the season.

As you may have noticed, they choose the last solution which was to my mind the worst. I have to admit that I prefer to see both of them dead than separated.

I have the impression that Zabel doesn't know Luby as much as we do. it seems he doesn't care anymore about these 2. if he was so in love with this couple he wouldn't have messed up with them like that.

It's like the season 12 and 13 never happened. he was finally happy after all the drama of his life, she was finally responsible and well-adjusted after all her freaking past. they took their revange on life. I was so moved when she said to Ames "things can get better".
An now what ?? where is the interest to see them unhappy and fighting again ?

So, I know that in real life you can't forgive all the mistakes Abby made and she can't believe that just apologizing is sufficient. But we're in a tv show and we don't have time to wait for him to forgive !! they need a clear conversation NOW, and to express their f*** feelings for each other ASAP!!

the more time it takes, the less belivable it will be, I mean they have reach a point where they can hardly touch each other. it's like all the chemistry they had is just violence and aggressivity now.
They have been separate during almost a year, how can he want to go now?

what about the vows "to help each other when we need help", what about her saying just before the proposal "and if we don't have each other", what about their both smiles and loving hug in Dubrojnic airport?
and I'm not talking about the scene in City of mercy, wasn't he running to her at this time? and so what, now he prefers to runaway because Zabel thinks it's funny to complicate their life for " a period of time" ??
this is just crap.

So, to sum up, I'm pissed of after TPTB who ruined the most powerful and fascinating love story i've seen on a TV show, after Goran who decided to leave in really bad moment, after Maura who was the one who wanted Abby to have a relapse, and after all those people who think they just have what they deserve.

Miss Tierney said a thousand times that she wanted Abby to die, and we know that Zabel indulges her every whim, so we can imagine that she will have a very beautiful and tragic death which is probably the best thing that can happen. she won't be able to hurt anaybody anymore, Joe will be free from a mother who is just able to put him in jeopardy and Luka will be punished because he gave up on her too easily.

end of the story.

And I'm very sorry for this too long and totally useless speech.

Well said Maryesa, i think you've said it all!!

But putting Goran departure aside for this whole situation and to whom i hold accountable for destroying the most loved up couple on TV and putting them into pure misery! Let's Face it, if Goran had stayed, Luka Father wouldn't have got sick, he wouldn't have had to go to Croatia, thus Abby wouldn't have relapsed and slept with Mr Boldly!! we'd still be in luby heaven (watching them together on their honeymoon ) mesmerized by Luka smile, watching them kiss and stare lovingly into each other eyes all the time (not the most challenging storyline if you were an actor but we wouldn't have cared!!) . But now all i see is misery and more misery, it's so depressing. I fed up of seeing Abby moping around in that black shirt all the time! and have you notice the 'bat cave' is back? their apartment is so dark and again depressing, a complete contrast to how it was throughout season 13.

But with regards to Luka and the current storyline, i think he runs away from his problems and keeps everything bottle up. We know he ran away from Croatia, didn't see his family for years, kept his personal life secret in seasons 6 and 7, its only when the bishop became his patient that he finally opened up and when things got rough for him in season 9 he ran away to the Congo. So this is what i think he's doing with Abby, running away and not dealing with their problems there and then. Its what he's used to doing.

sorry if i've repeat anything you've already said.

[lyvanna]

Even if Goran had stayed something bad would have happened between Luby - happiness doesn't make good TV (yes, we'd have liked it but for neuturals it wouldn't have been very interesting). I think something bad was bound to have happened whatever. If he had stayed they'd have probably put the wedding back, so in that way we could have maybe had a good definitive happy ending, but inbetween we'd have probably seen an affair, relapse, death (Joe) etc.

[Ninolino]

Okay, call me nuts, but I'm looking at this as it has happened to me.
If somebody cheated on me, under any circumstances, let alone under those, I would want to hurt that person SOOOO BADLY!! It sounds mean, yes, but let's face when somebody hurts you, your first thought is NOT to forgive him, say how sorry you are and love each other forever! Your first thought is how to hurt that person so they can feel how you felt when you were betrayed.
Then another thing. I wouldn't want to live in the same house as that person. At least not for a while. I couldn't stand it.
And whatever you say, I don't think it's such a good thing for Joe either. Kids are not stupid, no matter how small they are. They feel when something is not right. And living in a house where parents are at each others' throats... Not a great environment for a child. I know it's better for a kid to have both parents, but both parents who are sane and who can stand each others presence. Who can talk about other things than Joe without getting angry and annoyed.
There is only one thing I would like more for ER than happy Luby. And that is believable Luby. Because 'oh, I love you too, and I have forgiven you everything' from both Abby or Luka just sounds unnatural...

[loopyallie]

I would never forgive them if anyone had cheated on me... I know people mend relationship by giving it another go, lots of couples do it, work it out but its the trust that has gone...

The truth of the matter is that people don't generally cheat on their lover for no apparent reason, they usually do it when they are not happy with certain dynamics of the relationship... I could go on telling you different things that could cause it...

I know Abby was not happy with Luka leaving her to care for his dad, I know she wouldnt do it sober, you know sleeping with Moretti - the guy is a schmuck taking advantage of her, if he was a decent bloke, he would decline as he knew she was married.

Actually I'm that stubborn that I've never forgave my friend for sleeping with my ex!!!!! Didn't give a shit about the ex as we were not together, its the principle of things!

Deep down in my heart I could never cheat no matter how unhappy I was with my sons father (when we were together), I had lots of offers but I turned them down because its too complicated...

[Maryesa]

I can understand that for some people it's too difficult to forgive someone who cheated on you.
few years ago when my beloved sister cheated on her husband I clearly thought she was a slut, because she acted like one. and without trying to understand the problems she can have at this precise moment of her life, I decided to hurt her as much as she hurted us (husband, son,family...). And I acted like a bitch with her during a period of time, writting her some awful letters and so on...
result of the operation, she was in pain, I was in pain, the entire family was divided and her son suffered a lot of the situation.
I don't think that hurting people because they hurt you first is a good solution, it's a behavior you can have when your a teenager, but not as an adult IMO. in my situation, things get better when we decided to talk and try to understand each other.

I know that if my husband cheats on me "accidentally" just for one night, I will give him a bitch slap and certainly move to a friend's house for a while, but I'll certainly try to fix things if I think he's still in love with me. because I think that when you love someone so much that you decided to live with him/her for the rest of your life, you don't runaway at the first issue you encounter.

one last thing, the consequences can be catastrophic for a 18-months-child who live far away from his mother, even if this mother messed up with him during a while.

And Nina, I don't think you a nuts !

[Ninolino]

Thanks. You just proved my point. Of course the best way of dealing with problems is to talk about them. But you just said it. You tried to hurt your sister as much as she hurt you. That's my point. We can all be judgmental from this point of view and say Luka is a bastard for leaving his wife and kid in this situation when she said she is sorry. But the reality is, most people would do exactly what Luka is doing! Move out, ignore and try to hurt the other person! At that point it's not about being rational! It's about being human! And as much as someone would like to pass that behaviour as teenage one, I don't think angry, frustrated, jealous and mad adults behave differently.

Oh, and about 18 months old baby being separated from his mother. Of course it is not good. But is it better if she is drunk? No! In that case I'm sure his safety comes first.

If my partner would cheat on me, he would be sorry he was ever born. And I wouldn't move out of our place. I would make him move out! In his boxershorts! It's not about love anymore. It's about trust. And if I don't have that, I have nothing...

[Maryesa]

After watching this week episode I really hope that this separation won't last too long.

Seeing the baby-sitter come and take Joe to the park just broke my heart. It reminds me few years ago when I was a baby-sitter and I was taking care of a 15 old months boy with just-divorced parents. the two parents tried also to avoid themselves and I was stuck in the middle of this drama. and the child as young as he could be totally realized what was happening. it was terrible for the parents, for the baby and for me.

So, even if I know that they have to fix their marriage just the 2 of them, I hope that Luka and Abby will realize quickly that this situation is just unbearable for Joe.

[rorygilmore]

Counting the number of episodes we have left and the number of apperances Goran has left...I already see Luka, in his shining armour, riding on a white horse -a-là-Mr. Darcy- to forgive Lady Abby...so I guess the separation won't last for so long. Unless the episodes state explicitly something like: 3 months later or similar...Am I blabbering?

[Maryesa]

I was just thinking about one thing: maybe this marriage is doomed from the start because Luka saw the Bride dress before the wedding? He even chose it !

maybe this will be the moral of the Luby storyline: never forget the old superstitions

I'm sorry, I know this is not funny

[applejak]

May 7, 2008 18:28:25 GMT 10 Maryesa said:

I was just thinking about one thing: maybe this marriage is doomed from the start because Luka saw the Bride dress before the wedding? He even chose it !

maybe this will be the moral of the Luby storyline: never forget the old superstitions

I'm sorry, I know this is not funny

that could be a factor in why they're marriage is on the rocks ...whats ironic is that i was actually just watching the wedding episode last night and was thinking that they probably should've just taken joe and eloped ( i know, i know that still wouldn't have changed things) just my random 2 cents