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Post by maggie on Oct 11, 2007 3:51:19 GMT 10
It's perfectly normal for an 18-month-old to be breastfed. The global average for weaning is age three - which is actually when most children will self-wean naturally. Breastmilk is one of the most nutritious and natural food sources available. The taboo against toddlers nursing is very much a recent thing. While it's not okay for eight-year-olds to be nursing, it's actually encouraged by many experts to continue breastfeeding until at least age two. Especially in the case of a preemie, as Joe was, it would be beneficial for him to continue nursing at that age. Being a mother of three, I respectfully disagree. That's your right. But my point is that what's viewed as "normal" is very Western-centric and a recent development. I'm not telling you how to raise your children, simply stating that, until very recently, breastfeeding wasn't such a taboo. My facts are correct, it's a matter of personal preference.
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Post by annita on Oct 11, 2007 4:06:04 GMT 10
I don't think breast feeding is taboo, by any means, nor am I referring to printed facts or anyone's personal preference, but rather, common knowledge and the experiences of a vast number of mothers I've been associated with throughout a number of years. Based on my personal information and experience, believe me, 3 is old!
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Post by alaeangelorum on Oct 11, 2007 8:03:29 GMT 10
Regarding alcohol poisoning, it could most definitely happen given the spoilers we have. Someone of her size consuming a mass quantity of vodka can certainly put their lives in jeopardy, even in one sitting. I recall some trouble reviving Pratt's brother when he was brought into the ER unconscience from like 6-8 shots of tequila. My problem with the idea of her getting alcohol poisoning is that that may well involve a trip to County and all her coworkers becoming (fully?) aware of the problem. IMHO this particular issue is one to be dealt with between Luka and Abby rather than Luka, Abby and the entire ER.
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Post by icequeen on Oct 11, 2007 8:32:58 GMT 10
Regarding alcohol poisoning, it could most definitely happen given the spoilers we have. Someone of her size consuming a mass quantity of vodka can certainly put their lives in jeopardy, even in one sitting. I recall some trouble reviving Pratt's brother when he was brought into the ER unconscience from like 6-8 shots of tequila. My problem with the idea of her getting alcohol poisoning is that that may well involve a trip to County and all her coworkers becoming (fully?) aware of the problem. IMHO this particular issue is one to be dealt with between Luka and Abby rather than Luka, Abby and the entire ER. Oh come on it's a very special 300th ER to remember. A whole ER bands together to save their own.. .. full circle from Carol in the beginning. Can they resist it? Seriously, I think part of the problem is that no one knew, and I think part of the drama will be everyone realizing they missed the level of her pain and distress.
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Post by cloudy on Oct 11, 2007 9:50:01 GMT 10
I don't think breast feeding is taboo, by any means, nor am I referring to printed facts or anyone's personal preference, but rather, common knowledge and the experiences of a vast number of mothers I've been associated with throughout a number of years. Based on my personal information and experience, believe me, 3 is old! Well from what I can tell, you're from NY, the states do things much different than the rest of the world, most likely due to vanity reasons. Maggie's right I guess, three is the global average of when kids stop breast feeding, esp in countries that lack vast quantities of food supply like the states. Of course in developed countries kids stop breast feeding sooner, but the majority of the world is not developed.
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Post by helen on Oct 11, 2007 10:20:15 GMT 10
Agree that in the under-developed and developing world, babies breast feed for longer, but I'm not quite sure what the rest of the world has to do with a fictional TV drama set in Chicago in 2007!
The point is, I think, that we are not meant to think that Abby is still breastfeeding. It probably has not even occured to tptb that this may be an issue with viewers!
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Post by annita on Oct 11, 2007 10:34:03 GMT 10
Absolutely Helen ... unfortunately issues are made for the simplest of things, IMO.
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Post by cloudy on Oct 11, 2007 11:18:14 GMT 10
Nobody said they were "issues," just trying to let others know of real-life stuff.
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Post by larue on Oct 11, 2007 12:08:12 GMT 10
Oh come on it's a very special 300th ER to remember. A whole ER bands together to save their own.. .. full circle from Carol in the beginning. Can they resist it?
Seriously, I think part of the problem is that no one knew, and I think part of the drama will be everyone realizing they missed the level of her pain and distress.
Been thinking on this.....hmmm.....very interesting connections and loaded with possibilities.
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Post by mrseyre on Oct 11, 2007 20:51:02 GMT 10
That's the problem with averages; If one child is 6 months old when weaned and one is 3 yrs and six months the average age is 2 years, when in fact neither was weaned at that age. I felt that once my boys had a mouthful of teeth it was time to move on!
Anyway, I think that it wouldn't be at all unusual for Abby to have stopped feeding Joe by 18 months, but it doesn't really matter in terms of the story being told, as I can't see them going for Joe being poisoned via breast milk by whatever she's imbibed.
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Post by viviclooney on Oct 12, 2007 1:37:24 GMT 10
It won't be unusual not seeing Abby breastfeeding Joe and I think it depends for some reasons... From what I know the time a woman breastfeed her child depends on how much time she spends at the house with the baby because a woman can produce milk when is stimulated by the baby but if you're working all day long shift, the body stops producing milk in a few months, of course there are other factors such the quality of food the woman has taken her whole life, how many times the woman pumps out her milk with a machine (I don't have such thing here in Peru ) and stress.
Here in my country the government encourage mothers to breastfeed kids 6 months minimum. When I breastfeed mine I only did it for 4 months because I was working and at school simultaneously and I was only at home to take care of my daughter only at nights, thanks God my sister in law had a baby at the same time as me and she was a stay-home mom and she pumped her milk for her daughter and mine, so my daughter had what I like to call "natural milk" until 18 months, but the Pediatrician told me that "natural milk" was full of vitamins and other stuff only in the first 6 months...
**Viviana**
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Post by icequeen on Oct 12, 2007 2:09:54 GMT 10
" but the Pediatrician told me that "natural milk" was full of vitamins and other stuff only in the first 6 months... "
Completely not true. Breastmilk is full of not only nutrients but natural immunity for as long as you give it to your child - no matter how long that is 6 mos, 1 y ear, 3 years, etc. Also, as a PSA if Abby were breastfeeding (which I don't think she is, tptb have never been big breastfeeding advocates) the amount of alcohol she seems to be ingesting would be too much. However, I don't think that's going to be the issue, the issue is she's ingesting way to much for her own health.
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Post by rorygilmore on Oct 12, 2007 3:03:22 GMT 10
Try not to get too out of topic.
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Post by larue on Oct 12, 2007 4:49:29 GMT 10
However, I don't think that's going to be the issue, the issue is she's ingesting way to much for her own health.
Exactly....but I think people are speculating as to how and why Abby's drinking will be exposed. No one wants to think that she would hurt someone in a drink/drive situation. Either alcohol poisoning of herself and/or putting Joe's safety in jeopardy would be the worst possible...but most likely.....probably.
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Post by snowfall on Oct 12, 2007 5:05:41 GMT 10
However, I don't think that's going to be the issue, the issue is she's ingesting way to much for her own health. Exactly....but I think people are speculating as to how and why Abby's drinking will be exposed. No one wants to think that she would hurt someone in a drink/drive situation. Either alcohol poisoning of herself and/or putting Joe's safety in jeopardy would be the worst possible...but most likely.....probably. We know that she has already endangered Joe by driving with him when she was over the limit and then wandering around in the early hours with a small child in his pajamas. She has made errors at work and, generally, has not been coping. As she is alone in Neela's apartment with a bottle of vodka it does look to me as if the route they are talking is that she will now harm herself.
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