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Post by larue on Jun 20, 2007 12:56:00 GMT 10
You know what....if he DOESN"T show up for a schedule junket or shoot it can be VERY costly to the production company. If he needs time off to be sick or stay with a sick child, there would be camera people, extras, set managers, drivers and what not all being paid to do nothing. I can see what he is saying...totally... about needing to be on the spot or the contract is at risk. Of COURSE he knows a child will change his life....but he is the breadwinner in the family.
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Post by crazylubyfan on Jun 20, 2007 13:06:33 GMT 10
I see what you are saying larue, but I still really don't know if this article is the real thing or if he has even said any of this. I personally don't think he owuld say ALL of that, but some of it, yes. It's just kind of...bizarre.
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Post by rorygilmore on Jun 20, 2007 13:36:23 GMT 10
You know what....if he DOESN"T show up for a schedule junket or shoot it can be VERY costly to the production company. If he needs time off to be sick or stay with a sick child, there would be camera people, extras, set managers, drivers and what not all being paid to do nothing. I can see what he is saying...totally... about needing to be on the spot or the contract is at risk. Of COURSE he knows a child will change his life....but he is the breadwinner in the family. uh-huh; I was afraid to say it, it sounds cold, but it's true!
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Post by maggie on Jun 20, 2007 15:51:10 GMT 10
But there's a difference between knowing you have a obligation to work and putting it as your ultimate first priority. I'm not saying he should blow off work to be with the kid, I'm saying that in my opinion, family comes above work in the grand scheme. Not day-to-day, but saying "work is my number one priority" is a touch cold. I really don't care how it translates. And I tend to get the feeling, based on what we've seen of him publicly, that he's a warm and caring individual.
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Post by eaunuage on Jun 20, 2007 19:18:17 GMT 10
So what's the matter with what he "presumedly" said ? I don't see anything wrong ! You signed a contract, you have to respect it baby or not, sick or not ! Nothing's wrong with that. You can not cancel your day work everytime your baby is sick. Ivana can not handle her sick baby by herself or what ? Come on !!! Well, work comes first before family, so what ? You can not stop working because there is a baby coming into your life. Really !!!! Should my father have stopped working when I was born or when my sister was born ? Come on it's ridiculous ! I really HOPE he said that ! We all need a working life and sometimes we might sacrifice some "family" things ! It's totally normal ! I completely understand why he said that. Or, may be this'd explain those "rumors" flying around the world lately if it's really what he said of course ! DON'T GET MAD MODERATOR AND OTHER GORANETTES ! I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID SO OFTEN " HE'S HAPPILY MARRIED " !!!!!!! Edit: So it's true what he said. –Con tantas mujeres suspirando por vos, ¿cómo vive tu mujer (la escultora croata Ivana Vrdoljak) tu carrera? –Ella no es actriz, sin embargo su familia está en la industria. Su padre –Antun Vrdoljak– fue actor y director; uno de sus hermanos es director de fotografía, otro es productor y director, y también su mamá tuvo su momento de actriz, así que para ella todo esto es natural. –Acabás de adoptar a un bebé, Tin, con tu esposa, ¿cómo cambió tu vida el tener a un hijo en casa? –No la cambió tanto. En realidad, uno se las arregla para que las cosas funcionen… ¡Tampoco es algo sobrehumano! En mi familia, mi trabajo siempre fue una premisa (ya que es algo que hago desde los 9 años) y mi mujer lo tiene en claro. Aun con el bebé en casa, los dos sabemos que en este medio, una vez que firmás un contrato, tenés que estar ahí grabando –enfermo, sano o como fuere–. Ahora tendré más tiempo para disfrutar con ellos, pero somos conscientes de que, como actor, uno se adapta al lugar, espacio y tiempo necesario. No existe eso de llamar al estudio para decir que estás enfermo... Sólo ponés tu mejor cara y vas directo trabajar. From www.parati.com.ar/nota.php?ID=9061“Tener éxito en tevé es una espada de doble filo”
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Post by frosty on Jun 20, 2007 23:27:55 GMT 10
Of course the press junket was important to Goran. It is one of the "top ten" things he did in his life.
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Post by cloudy on Jun 21, 2007 3:00:41 GMT 10
Well from reading the Spanish version, he never says that having a baby didn't change anything, he admits it did change somewhat, but they have had to make adjustments like any regular family. He says his job in very important to him and his wife knows this too, whether they have a baby or not. It's hard to tell by just reading an article that may be real or not, just how sincere he is of his priorities. He says his wife completely understands how this job works. If the article is making it out to be that his wife is supportive and does not mind, then why should we? I guess we will never know until we hear about a divorce or something (knocks on wood). Regardless, I'm sure he gets lucious vacation time, so he can spend time with his family then. It's just like other jobs too, esp doctors who work in hospitals (yea what an example I know... ) You're not gonna refuse being on call for 36 hrs just cuz your wife is tired and the baby has a cold, theoretically speaking. I guess it it depends on how much satisfaction you get from your job.
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Post by annita on Jun 21, 2007 4:31:49 GMT 10
Based on the recent interviews and appearances GV has made since the adoption, IMO it is quite evident that his career comes first. He has been out of the country giving interviews since the arrival of the baby. IMO, above anything else, one's family should come first, especially your children. This has nothing to do with whether or not you are the primary breadwinner. I'm sure many will disagree, but it is quite possible that the adoption was not something he really wanted, but simply agreed to. Rumors have been circulating that his marriage is in trouble - perhaps Mrs. V. thought a child would repair the relationship or ensure future financial security or perhaps Mrs. V pushed for a child to keep her company during her husband's absences. We can speculate all we want about their marriage, other relationships and the adoption, but will never know. After all, GV is an actor, and can portray any type of persona, especially one that the fans want to see. GV has not discussed the adoption, his feelings about it nor his role as a father. IMO, many viewers and posters confuse him with Luka - romantic, loyal, loving and protective - always putting his wife and child first. It doesn't appear to be the reality of the situation, however, and it is disappointing.
What has really puzzled me about the adoption is how two citizens of Croatia could adopt a natural U.S. citizen. I wonder how that fairs in the courts or with the natural mother and/or father in the event the child is brought out of the country permanently.
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Post by francosonata on Jun 21, 2007 4:33:14 GMT 10
I guess the question I had and why his responses seem a little weird to me has to do with the fact that he was doing a press junket that soon after the baby was born anyway. The adoption was obviously planned so he would have known around when the baby was being born and how old he'd be in the middle of May. And his wife said in an interview that the baby was induced to arrive on some type of anniversary of theirs, so it's just seems strange that Goran would sign on to do a press tour that would happen less than a month after that. He's no longer a regular on the show so you'd think that someone like John Stamos would be the one doing the publicity. And I thought from the NBC blog that it sounded like Maura was the one who was going to be going to South America.
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Post by maggie on Jun 21, 2007 5:10:00 GMT 10
Once again - to clarify. I most certainly don't think Goran should or would quit work, skip, or come in late because of his kid. That's not my issue. Of course he has a committment to work - I'm talking about the big picture, not little details. The sort of thing like if it came to choosing one or the other, choosing between work and family as a permanent thing, I always would hope family comes first. Work may be something wonderful and splendid, but I don't recall my job ever being there to support me when I needed a shoulder to cry on. It has nothing to do with the day-to-day, I'm talking about the overarching things in life. A job will come and go, but family is the sort of thing that you're always hanging onto.
As for Goran himself, I honestly have no problem. I think it was a matter of misinterpretation or translation. He's shown in the past that he's a good person, so I'm going on that.
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Post by Ninolino on Jun 21, 2007 5:32:51 GMT 10
What has really puzzled me about the adoption is how two citizens of Croatia could adopt a natural U.S. citizen. I wonder how that fairs in the courts or with the natural mother and/or father in the event the child is brought out of the country permanently. Hm. Just a question. In Croatia, if you adopt a kid, that means his natural parents gave up all rights on him. Isn't that the case in US? And on more. Why wouldn't Croatian citizens adopt a kid from US? I mean, you wouldn't believe how many Americans/Europeans come here to adopt a child. I personally know few couples who adopted a kid from China and Africa and they live in US. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I'm just asking why is that so... not good? sorry
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Post by annita on Jun 21, 2007 5:45:31 GMT 10
I'm not saying it's good or bad or right or wrong. I'm just wondering about the legal implications. In the U.S., I believe there is a period within which the parent(s) can change their minds. I'm just wondering how it would fair legally regarding citizenship, since the child would be a natural U.S. citizen. I know my brother and sister-in-law adopted from China and the baby then had to apply for citizenship here. They also had to wait a year to bring the baby into the U.S. with the agency they used.
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Post by maggie on Jun 21, 2007 7:05:05 GMT 10
I'm not saying it's good or bad or right or wrong. I'm just wondering about the legal implications. In the U.S., I believe there is a period within which the parent(s) can change their minds. I'm just wondering how it would fair legally regarding citizenship, since the child would be a natural U.S. citizen. I know my brother and sister-in-law adopted from China and the baby then had to apply for citizenship here. They also had to wait a year to bring the baby into the U.S. with the agency they used. It's a whole different ballpark if the biological mother actually chooses the adoptive parents, according to what someone posted awhile back. It's less red tape (regulations) involved, though there are some cases in which the biological parent later turns around and wants the child back. There are also issues if the bilogical father isn't informed, as he hasn't consented to surrender his parental rights and has grounds to sue for custody. If you recall when Chen was pregnant, she chose adoptive parents for her baby and met them personally, all that, rather than actually giving the child up for adoption after it was born. It can be complicated - I have a friend who decided at aged nineteen to track down her biological mother which caused a rift between her and her adoptive mother for awhile. It's tricky...hopefully there won't be any scandalous complications in this case.
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Post by larue on Jun 21, 2007 8:01:04 GMT 10
International adoption has several implications that are missing with a domestic (US) adoption. We were assured when we adopted our Korean born son that once a child leaves their country of birth, all birth parental rights are irrevocably severed. This was an important deal for us because - at the time - we were watching the heart wrenching Baby Jessica/Baby Richard adoptions being played out in the local media. We applied for American citizenship on his behalf when he was three years old. Our daughter was adopted from Russia at the age of five. She is a foundling and had spent three and a half years in the baby/child home system in Tuva. We have no parental paperwork on her. No one stepped for ward to claim her in all that time. We did not apply for citizenship on her behalf because the US now has a law that states any child adopted by American parents is considered an American citizen when that adoption is finalized. HOWEVER, I have been researching and it is recommended that adoptive parents apply for the formal paperwork stating citizenship and HOLY COW, BATMAN!....the cost is the same for the old citizenship paperwork!!! Frankly, I prefer the $84 for an American passport over the $368 for a citizenship certificate..... The way it sounds, the Visnjics went the route of a private adoption. Whether or not the birth mother is around will depend on what kind of a contract has been drawn up between them. I have firneds who have daughters who have extensive contact with their birth mothers and are richer for that. I have other firends that had a closed adoption with no birth parent contact and like it that way. It just depends on the people. Personally, I think a birth parent who chooses a celebrity for an adoptive choice has a minor assurance that they will be able to see the child grow up in one way or another....maybe.....sorta.
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Post by cloudy on Jun 21, 2007 8:37:36 GMT 10
This may be out of topic, but I always thought that if the birth parents of a baby who wasn't born in the US are natural American citizens, then the baby is automatically considered to be an American citizen. I didn't think they had to be registered for it. I was naturalized as a US citizen, but I was just wondering because I sorta don't want my child or children to be born in the US, but I didn't know how that would play out since I'm not a natural citizen. Do both parents have to be US citizens? I'm confused. A lot of countries have weird and stingy rules about who they welcome into their country.
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