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Post by larue on Aug 22, 2007 12:18:03 GMT 10
Ooo...nervous breakdown. Never thought about thaaaaat. Hmmmm. Kinda fast though isn't it? Doesn't really fit with the epi title like the other does though. Was still hoping for 'Abby Triumphant' season however. David Zabel....are you lisssteeennninggg? ??
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Post by daniella on Aug 22, 2007 13:03:31 GMT 10
It's not anything else - it is specifically stated that Abby has a hangover. They are even pulling out all the usual hangover aggravators - someone shines a light in her eyes, she's plagued by loud noises, smells make her nauseous. She also has trouble remembering the names of medical tests she needs to order. Well, we all know that Migranes sometimes does that too... and if it was a strong one, a person can have the same symptons... I ready in another forum that someone think it's a virus or something... I think it's just stress... Dany
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Post by andrejia on Aug 22, 2007 15:59:43 GMT 10
ok...i keep reading this and posting on the run but...i just need to comment too. first of all, unlike many of you, i am more of a luka fan than an abby one.i like their stories and the fact that they broke up and got back together. this is my idea of a perfect love story cause i love the phrase "if you love somebody very much you have to set him free. if it comes back to you, he's yours to keep. if he doesn't, then he was never yours". i just like to think that this applies to them. given this, i watched "beyond repair" and totally felt for her. and as she was saying to carter in an episode, she used to drink because she was miserable. now...i just don't want to start hating her. i mean, ok...joe suffered a fall...and i guess that's when she drank, the consequences are in this episode...but come on!!! she drank while with richard, when nobody knew about her birthday and when she found out eric's plane was missing.but joe came out ok, luka is coming back and they had no problems in their relationship. why do it again??? are they soooo out of storylines??? on the other hand... i can see that she has a lot of problems and being negative about everything but honestly...i don't want to see more abby drinking angst. i am sooo mad about this now...i know a lot of what i'm feeling has already been posted but i just needed to say something as well. i'm very curious where these all things are going and still have hope that this is what they want us to believe and the actual truth will be something different. but then again...i also said the sick daddy story is too easy... off topic - i don't know where to post these, i found some interesting things on another board, when they were reading the spoilers for season 12. i don't know if you already read these but in 12x10 , while abby was telling neela she's spending Christmas with Luka , neela said "maybe he''s the one", and also, in "Split Decisions", the make-out session on the skueeky toy was supposed to take place at luka's appartment, with completely different dialogues. i found these cute, among other things and just felt the need to share.
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Post by maggie on Aug 22, 2007 18:11:53 GMT 10
Based on the spoilers and things I've seen on other boards related to the sides, there's no doubt she's got a hangover. And a nervous breakdown would have different side effects that would be noticeable. It's very clear that they're giving her this storyline as a rating ploy. The show is tanking and Maura's the only one who can pull off a complex storyline. Whether it's a one-time bender or not remains to be seen, but suffice it to say it's a logistic move, not a logical one.
Key point to remember in hating/not hating Abby. While she's the one making decisions, alcoholism is a disease. Hating her on that basis is a bit extreme.
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Post by daniella on Aug 22, 2007 20:45:27 GMT 10
Maggie, I don't know... other's forum are saying it's a hangover, but like I said, if the migrane is strong enough, the preson can have the same symptons... I know because I had them, not strong ones, but I didn't want any noise, any moviment, I forgot things...
Now, I can be wrong about this and as the tittle suggests, '' under influence " may be about Abby being in the influence of alcohol... but since Abby went to some girls night out ( as in an episode in season ten where, she drank a drink with Susan ), where Luka, her husband, drink beers in front of her ( Human Shield ) and maybe other stuff ( in I don't, after the marriage ), I think she can control it...
Yes, alcoholism is a desease, but she seems very in control of it... if she isn't, so I just think TPTB is crazy...
Dani
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Post by dubenkojunkie on Aug 22, 2007 21:00:41 GMT 10
Abby is hung over.
The casting sides (written by the shows writers) specifically state this.
It is not a migraine, a break down or a virus. Those were merely guesses by someone who does not have the spoilers in hand.
The information at AEB and Fan Forum is correct.
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Post by zelda on Aug 22, 2007 21:55:15 GMT 10
Abby is hung over. The casting sides (written by the shows writers) specifically state this. It is not a migraine, a break down or a virus. Those were merely guesses by someone who does not have the spoilers in hand. The information at AEB and Fan Forum is correct. You are ALWAYS right in your spoilers, DUBENKO JUNKIE! for you , and for TPTB! Why did ZABEL spend so much time season 12 and 13 showing how stronger and more self-confident Abby had become ? Remember how she dealt with AMES!She was terrified but she answered very calmly, and when she spoke about her " SCREWED UP LIFE " NINE years ago, AMES even thanked her for understanding the hell HE was going through. This is the NEW ABBY!I understand that she is having a difficult time dealing with a very demanding job AND taking care of a 16\ 17 months old kid, without Luka's being here!! And some angst, WHY NOT? But the relapse into alcoholism is ' du DEJA VU" as we say in french. I only hope that ANDREJIA is right: ( fingers crossed!) Quoting: They want us to believe this, but the actual truth will be something different!FIND SOMETHING NEW,TPTB, you are totally wrong if you think that the fans will follow you on the ALCOHOLISM ROUTE... AGAIN! People are FED UP with all that stuff!
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Post by andrejia on Aug 22, 2007 22:22:08 GMT 10
Now I just feel like those die-hard carbies that keep having fantasies about them reuniting when I think that Abby will not relapse. If the side notes say that then..... and a biiig to the writers. why?!? why?!? why?!? I keep reading spoilers from other boards then come here for a mouthfull of fresh air. Maggie, I;m not saying that alcoholism isn't a disease, a serious one, i was only saying that in Abby's case, the relapses only occured when she was at her worst in her life and very, as in VERY unhappy. She can't have more kids, she loves Joe (she's been through hell to have him) so of course she's going crazy when she finds out he fell. But again..he's ok now...And she's stressed because of her job but these i don't think are good enough reasons to make her start drinking again. It looks like they're making a big deal - again- out of this, drawing the lines but not verbally expressing anything so they went this way when she was hitting bottom, building the relapse,piece by piece. she did relapse in S11 after the kidnapping but that was a testemony to Susan and it lasted for just that moment. now, it's spread all over the episode... I'm not sure if i've made myself clear...i'm just building parallels...the S11 relapse was just a minor thing caused by a recent stress and her big ones were caused by the things going on in her life.... and they they set this up seems pretty big...
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Post by daniella on Aug 22, 2007 22:22:28 GMT 10
That's what I'm saying Zelda... Look, how much women who are in her position ( or almost ) and don't turn themselves to the drink... if they are doing this is irresponsability, because of these women... Abby thinks people's dont change ( a lot ).... well, she stopped drnking, she has a family and she says ti Luka in the end of 13.10 that she tought that they tried so hard and came to where they were at that moment... Abby was in a bar, looking for Eddy... in a bar... people who are alcoholic don't enter in bars, for Pete's sake... Unless, the script say anithing more, I don't agree with thses spoilers... let it be something else... Dani
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Post by daniella on Aug 23, 2007 0:24:25 GMT 10
Like I said, UNLESS the script say so, I'll believe on the contrary...
Yes, I know that ER is Drama on TV... and yes, Abby is a alcoholic... in season 13 she says that to Luka ( in episode 7 if I'm not mistaken... ) but you have to agree it's not the thing she will drink for... or everytime she feels pressure, she will drink ? Or everytime Luka isn't with she will drink ? Come on, this is Abby... she's a strong person, not some looser...
Dani
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Post by daniella on Aug 23, 2007 0:48:27 GMT 10
So, TPTB is more crazy than I tought... If they think that fans will be crazy for that, they are trully mistaken... Ok, it's their character... let then do with her what they want, let them make her a looser... it just doesn't make sence to me and it won't... Dani
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Post by andrejia on Aug 23, 2007 0:51:06 GMT 10
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Post by crazylubyfan on Aug 23, 2007 2:05:03 GMT 10
Okay, I know that it takes people time to recover, and they NEED to relapse, but it has been years since Abby has picked up a drink, and this is not only very unlikely for her to do, but very foolish on TPTB's part. We know that she is under a lot of stress, but she has more to live up to now than ever before; she is married to the love of her life, has a baby, and her career is on track now.
I'm really not upset with Abby, but with the writers of the show. They are indeed trying to boost ratings, as Maggie has said, but this, IMO, is pushing it. This is the kind of thing that crosses the line between drama and soap opera. All of these storylines they are coming up with seem absurd to me, losing the simple essence that ER has had for 13 years.
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Post by alaeangelorum on Aug 23, 2007 3:55:02 GMT 10
Like I said, UNLESS the script say so, I'll believe on the contrary... The script DOES say she has a hangover. I've told you this and so has Dubenko Junkie. I have the casting sides right in front of me. It specifically states in the script that she has a HANGOVER. Not much plainer than that. And in case you need a third person to confirm this, yes it does say that. I will say this only once (because people need reminding): TPTB do not bother trying to misdirect the small proportion of ER viewers who hang about on internet forums. They don't fake spoilers and while dialogue changes, actual storyline concepts do not.
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Post by lubylove on Aug 23, 2007 4:00:51 GMT 10
I may be the only one, but I think the drinking thing could be a good storyline, i think it will show us the difference between how Carter delt with it (by nagging her about mettings, and trying to fix her) and how Luka is more understanding to her feelings
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